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【红魔转会讨论区VII】换厨师重要,还是买材料重要?

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发表于 2-9-2015 10:23 PM | 显示全部楼层
愤怒小屁屁 发表于 2-9-2015 03:29 PM
martial的到來,是herrera的噩夢
如果vg還給毒瘤特權,只會是martial做前鋒,然後毒瘤踢10號位,herrera繼 ...

martial再贵,也不该直接去正选11人吧。。
我魔的Wilson都没有机会进入候补名单,他这小子能给他候补名单就不错了

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发表于 2-9-2015 10:29 PM | 显示全部楼层
麒麟~ 发表于 2-9-2015 10:06 PM
可惜我不喝酒
我對酒過敏

你不需要喝酒,你需要做的是灌酒
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发表于 2-9-2015 10:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
这个赛季踢4-3-3?

前锋:
Remain : Rooney
In : Martial
Out : Falcao, RVP, Hernandez, Henriquez

边锋
Remain : Young, Mata
In : Depay
Out : ADM, Nani, Januzaj(loan)

中场
Remain : Fellaini, Herrera,
In : -
out : Cleverly

后腰
Remain : Carrick
In : Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger

边后卫
Remain : Shaw, Valencia
In : Darmian
Out : Rafael

中后卫
Remain : Smalling, Jones, Blind, Rojo, McNair
In : -
Out : Evans, Blackett(loan)

门将
Remain : DG, Valdes
In : Romero
Out : Lindegaard, Amos,

Latest squad (1st month):

Enter line-up : Romero, Shaw, Darmian, Smalling, Schneiderlin, Depay, Mata,
Confirmed line-up : Rooney, Blind
50/50 line-up : Carrick, Schweinsteiger, Herrera, Fellaini

Exit line up : De Gea, Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Young.
Remained side-line : Wilson, McNair

New boy : Martial, Peirera(promote)

总结:
又是一个大转变。
相比上赛季,首发人选(热门)换了7个人。固定的剩下2个人。两个位置4个人争。

前锋实力明显变弱,可以直接说,我们几乎比二线球队更差的前锋配置。
退化了,调整需要光年的队长。以及19岁新人届标王?
很明显本赛季肯定攻击力不足。

门将位置也明显退化。
即使留下来,也无法专心的鸭子。不稳的罗梅洛。未知的Valdes.
无论是哪一个,都可能经常发生失误,无法让人放心。

边锋实力几乎还是一样。
Young 本来就压倒天使,Depay目前是以前的Nani, Mata/Januzaj 有着/缺少着 对方的特点

后腰明显加强,间接帮助提升防守质量。

边卫实力,稍微加强,而且Shaw如果延续这个势头,
很可能是本赛季曼联先生。

中卫几乎没变,只是小玲,盲眼,进入首发。

整体来说:
攻击力不足的问题是肯定的。门将,那么重要的一环,也会深深地影响我们。
本赛季,需要靠年轻人/爆炸头 来制造惊喜。
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发表于 2-9-2015 10:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
tlsk 发表于 2-9-2015 10:23 PM
martial再贵,也不该直接去正选11人吧。。
我魔的Wilson都没有机会进入候补名单,他这小子能给他候补 ...

应该会像上赛季的Luke Shaw那样,不过现在前锋线很不济,有可能突围而出
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发表于 2-9-2015 10:58 PM | 显示全部楼层
藍倫 发表于 2-9-2015 10:53 PM
应该会像上赛季的Luke Shaw那样,不过现在前锋线很不济,有可能突围而出

双红大战鲁尼还是这种状态导致输球,很多人会骂死他。
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发表于 2-9-2015 11:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
Lc_ong 发表于 2-9-2015 10:58 PM
双红大战鲁尼还是这种状态导致输球,很多人会骂死他。

Rooney 的惯例是对上 Liverpool 或 Everton 时表现都会很差,所以别奢望了。
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发表于 2-9-2015 11:25 PM | 显示全部楼层
Andriy_Vince 发表于 2-9-2015 10:40 PM
这个赛季踢4-3-3?

前锋:

其实appoint +2除了要重回欧冠之外,培养年轻冠军之师也是任务之一
看看shaw-20岁,memphis-20岁,martial,pereira,和mcnair-19岁

在人手不足下,他们应该获得更多机会上场

别忘了我们还有师奶,大面,小玲等的中生代

今年不是要争冠吧,比上季更好的排名已经算是进步了
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发表于 2-9-2015 11:30 PM | 显示全部楼层


假如聼懂西班牙語就不好玩了

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发表于 2-9-2015 11:35 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2-9-2015 11:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
浅议德赫亚转会事件里曼联皇马的角力

德赫亚的转会事件现在看来是没有赢家,但从转会的最原始情况看,曼联在角力中占了上风。这种说法必须先明晰原始状态,才可以分析现实后果里各方的得分。

简单说重要的因素:德赫亚铁心离开曼联,宁愿放弃曼联高薪的续约少些年薪也要回家。球员的心愿往往对状态和忠诚起重要作用,换句话说,曼联尽管不乐意也是事实上已经失去德赫亚。而皇马作为德赫亚的向往球会,可以说“未得人先得心”了,在最终得到球员这点上占先手。这就是德赫亚转会原始状态。

从正常的球会转会角度看,买方付出合理或卖方愿意接受的价格,球员转会是没有问题的,尽管球会想留人。当年CR的转会就是一个实例。而德赫亚的转会事件出现问题,根本原因主要在皇马趁球员的合约将到期而意图贪小便宜。德赫亚不愿续约,先前是作为另外一个球员留队的筹码,后来变成皇马打劫的基础,曼联被惹火了,因而仗着财大气粗的本质,宁愿丢钱不丢人,在事件中以非理智的方式重重玩了对手一把。事件目前的结果是曼联的意图达到了,皇马的预期破灭了。曼联处于先手(下面再分析)的上风位置。

从媒体的报道里,尝试分析一下双方的策略和失误。一个前提首先需要确认,就是皇马是期望成交而曼联是消极对待的,简单从双方事后的文告很清楚:无法完成转会皇马表示遗憾而曼联表示高兴。双方发布说明责任的文告,包含了一个重要的内容:流会的原因皇马抱怨曼联花时间多而曼联强调一切事情都是在截止期内完成。即可否看到皇马被曼联暗算了呢?我们细看双方的策略和失误:

皇马一直没有向曼联正式报价,直到转会结束日(8月31日当地时间,下同)中午才报价。以既往的转会中实践经验,以为这样可以将曼联逼上悬崖,为了避免德赫亚的自由转会,必会就范,吐下低价贱卖的苦果。低估了曼联的意图和态度,甚至没有意识到曼联手中还有牌可打。而这种失误的策略,恰恰有利于曼联意图的实施。

而曼联有备而战,双方谈判开始的时候,曼联就提出已经和球队守门员纳瓦斯达成了协议,并强调与其经纪人一直保持联系,执意要求将纳瓦斯打包加入德赫亚转会。尽管曼联也是需要一个近期表现出色的门将,但确实又给了皇马一个难题,这样皇马只能被迫与曼联达成两名球员的转会打包协议,同时又埋下了多了纳瓦斯耗时因素的伏笔。

皇马在13时39分将文件发曼联。曼联在21时43分将相关文件寄回,其中包括了一些小改动。注意:这期间花了8个多小时,只是做了小改动!曼联可能在运作法国小子没空,但也可能再次使坏耗时,无论如何拖8个小时审议返回合同不违规违法、合情合理,在正常转会中还算快速咧。无奈皇马只能立即接受了这些调整,为的就是能够尽快完成球员的注册。23时32分将合同寄给曼联,然后开始等待曼联回复,曼联则说文档里没有球员签字页,而两个球员都在马德里。在23时40分,曼联方面得知这份合同中出现了重大改变,其中可能是两个球员合同有修改要求。注意:这里是否存在不想离开的纳瓦斯也有参与使坏呢?结果曼联与纳瓦斯的经纪人在8月31日23时53分达成一致,23时55分才完成德赫亚合同修改提交(取消),在23时58分,转会协议被曼联送回。即是说,留给皇马的操作时间只剩2分钟!

曼联同时将转会协议上传到了国际足联转会监督系统(TMS)并被接受,虽然英国转会截止期晚一天,曼联还是同时发送给了英足总,英足总能提供证明给国际足联。而皇马在最后读秒阶段,既没有及时把德赫亚的文档上传到国际足联转会监督系统(曼联做到了),也没有及时把德赫亚的文档上传到西班牙联盟(晚了28分钟),连上诉的条件都不具备。简单说,皇马一手策划的悬崖之战,因为自己没有站稳,被摔死了!当然,我们也看到曼联在中间可能存在的“耗时”策略,这就是皇马可以抱怨曼联的唯一指责。

从上面的浅析起码可以得到一个结论,双方的角力中,曼联得逞了,皇马被拖着鼻子走,这就是我说的角力中曼联占了上风。目前看来,曼联的损失是预期的3000万,皇马的损失是预期的门将和卖纳瓦斯行为造成的伤痕。

为什么上面说损失是前面加了“目前看来”,因为事件的后续发展曼联完全还是占先手,损失只是“目前看来。请听在下继续瞎扯:

先说点背景材料。在1995年前,球员就算合同到期转会,球会也要收取转会费,还是具备控制球员的权利。1995年欧盟法庭《博斯曼法案》扭转了这种情况,球员在合同到期半年前,可以不经所在球会同意与其他球会签约,合同到期了就自由转会(这个双刃剑的法案争议很大,不详细讨论。)。德赫亚是2011年6月29日转会曼联,签订一份为期5年的合约,即在2016年6月到期,冬季转会期间就可以自由签下家的合同,6月后自由转会。

转会事件的发展就存在两种邪恶的可能:一、德赫亚被曼联冷藏到明年五、六月,明年六月交一个”观众型球员“给皇马(或其他下家)。皇马是否愿意在冬季就签一个状态未明的守门员呢(德赫亚转会要求是当主力哦)?二、曼联以必须签约为上场及转会前提(当年CR的范本),德赫亚被迫签下短期协议。这样这转会状态就完全reSet了,皇马还是要面对曼联正常转会价格的诉求,那说道曼联在事件中的损失3000万,就需要加上“目前看来”了。搞不好,德赫亚(其实是他女朋友)选择了留曼联,虽然可能性低,但起码符合曼联一贯的期望啊!曼联赢面就更大了。呵呵。

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发表于 3-9-2015 12:00 AM | 显示全部楼层
博斯克警告德赫亚:在曼联不踢主力别打欧洲杯!!

在9月份,西班牙国家队将迎来两场欧洲杯预选赛,对手分别是斯洛伐克和马其顿,在新闻发布会上,对于德赫亚的转会,博斯克评价道,如果德赫亚无法在曼联上场比赛,那很难带他跟随西班牙队去踢欧洲杯。

Vicente del Bosque: If David De Gea doesn’t play with Manchester United, it’ll be tough for him to play the Euro with Spain.
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发表于 3-9-2015 12:22 AM | 显示全部楼层
abaiman 发表于 2-9-2015 11:25 PM
其实appoint +2除了要重回欧冠之外,培养年轻冠军之师也是任务之一
看看shaw-20岁,memphis-20岁, ...

Memphis Depay 21岁

可是我记得,主帅是否曾经说过,
第一年回欧冠,第二年本土冠军,第三年称霸欧洲?

如果要注重训练青训,为什么放走J11.
其实我也不是很明白。已经放走了那么多成名的球星。
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发表于 3-9-2015 12:40 AM | 显示全部楼层
Andriy_Vince 发表于 3-9-2015 12:22 AM
Memphis Depay 21岁

可是我记得,主帅是否曾经说过,

j11租借去多特我觉得会比较好。

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发表于 3-9-2015 12:45 AM | 显示全部楼层
时间可以冲淡一切。


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发表于 3-9-2015 07:58 AM | 显示全部楼层
Andriy_Vince 发表于 2-9-2015 10:40 PM
这个赛季踢4-3-3?

前锋:

这赛季出走的球员,最可惜的就是将军。。。

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发表于 3-9-2015 08:00 AM | 显示全部楼层
藍倫 发表于 2-9-2015 10:53 PM
应该会像上赛季的Luke Shaw那样,不过现在前锋线很不济,有可能突围而出

Shaw很冲的,干脆学Bale的老路,一路踢上边锋吧!
反正LB有blind, rojo

CB正选smalling配rojo/jones更好

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发表于 3-9-2015 08:13 AM | 显示全部楼层
Manchester United lost up to £22.5 million on the sale of Angel Di Maria to Paris Saint-Germain, according to Foreign Exchange (FX) specialists Foenix Partners.

While United lost around £15m on their initial outlay on Di Maria after the Argentina international pressed for a move to Paris, Foenix Partners -- who specialise in FX solutions and advice -- calculated that a strong Sterling-Euro (GBP/EUR) exchange rate could have cost the Premier League club as much as an extra £7.5m.

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发表于 3-9-2015 08:14 AM | 显示全部楼层
Despite United suffering financially from the sale of Di Maria, the exchange rate is likely to have aided the club in summer moves for Matteo Darmian, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Memphis Depay and Anthony Martial -- who became the most expensive teenager in football after leaving Monaco for £36m on Tuesday.

Foenix Partners calculated that the favourable rates for signing players from European clubs saved Premier League clubs £85m on the £483m paid to teams on the continent this summer.

The statement read: "Although payments to the top UK clubs playing in the UEFA Champions League have risen dramatically for the 2015-2016 season, increasing from
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发表于 3-9-2015 08:17 AM | 显示全部楼层
Another Manchester United transfer window full of squad turnoverBY ANDY MITTEN
At a news conference to announce new signings earlier this summer, Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal said that his squad needed to be increased in numbers in order to cope with the likely demands of playing in four competitions this season. United had 27 first-team squad members at the end of last season. With the summer transfer window just finished, the Reds now have 24 first-team players, just 18 of them senior, going into the next game against Liverpool.

Ben Amos and Anders Lindegaard were the goalkeepers who departed, while the ones who wanted to leave, David De Gea and Victor Valdes, stayed. From the defence, Rafael, Jonny Evans and Tom Thorpe have all gone. Of the midfielders, Angel Di Maria and Adnan Januzaj will play their football away from Old Trafford while forwards Radamel Falcao, Javier Hernandez and Robin van Persie have also left.

That's seven departures in one transfer window. Eleven officially, for Tom Cleverley, Reece James, Saidy Janko and Nani -- all of whom spent some or all of 2014-15 on loan away from United -- also said "see-ya" over the summer.

Now, goalkeepers Sergio Romero and Sam Johnstone are in the first-team squad, while Matteo Darmian is in defence. Bastian Schweinsteiger and Morgan Schneiderlin have been added to the midfield and Memphis Depay and Anthony Martial have arrived to keep the number of forwards at four. Another deadline-day signing, Regan Poole, is expected to join the under-21 squad for a fee of £100,000. The 17-year-old central defender came from fourth-level Newport County, where he was watched by both United and Liverpool on Saturday.

The transfer window elicited mixed feelings among United fans. It opened promisingly as Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin were brought in alongside Depay and Darmian before the club's U.S. preseason tour.

However, it closed in farce with a deal incomplete for De Gea to leave and Keylor Navas to arrive. That was followed by Real Madrid and United releasing conflicting statements with their version of events. It was as amusing as it was unedifying, with fans' loyalties to the fore as they backed their club's version of events. De Gea could join Madrid in January, but by that time he's likely to be cup-tied in the Champions League, a competition Real Madrid are rather fond of.

The judgement of whether the transfer window has been successful will be made at the end of the season, but United spent £112.9 million and received £64.2m this summer -- a net spend of £48.7m. That's easily manageable for a club who will announce yet more lucrative sponsorship deals in the forthcoming weeks, although there's the smaller matter of human beings and their families being moved at the last minute, often against their wishes, which isn't as easily computed.

United are slick and successful in attracting sponsors, yet their transfer activity casts them in an unbecoming light. No football club gets exactly what they want in the transfer market, but while new signings excite fans -- especially those hopelessly obsessed with transfers -- United's transfer strategy is in danger of spinning too fast.

The image of the club's 2013 championship-winning team, with players who have since left greyed out, has become a familiar one on social media. Of the 43 people in that team photo, only nine remain at the club.

It's not just the players, either. Since the 2014 retirement of Rob Swire, aged only 52 (with 23 years at the club), United are on their fourth first-team physio. Several members of senior staff with 10, 20 and 30 years' experience have departed for any number of reasons. They announce that they're moving on to another challenge or that they'll consult for the club, usually for a year before they disappear into the ether.

The changes have been significant and the power base at the club is now largely consolidated in two decision makers: executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward and director Richard Arnold. They've been chiefly responsible for the club's outstanding commercial success, using methods that are being copied by others but they'll be judged largely by what happens on the pitch. After Monday's transfer shenanigans, several significant United people mentioned how much former chief executive David Gill was missed.

When Woodward took charge in 2013, he said that the current squad needed little "re-tooling." Nobody laughed. It may have been too corporate of a term, but the sentiment wasn't unreasonable given that United had just been crowned champions for a record 20th time.

The revisionism since from some fans, who claim that dead wood needed to be shifted, is disrespectful to a squad that was talented enough to win the league two years ago. Not 10 years ago, two. Indeed, as Gary Neville pointed out after Sunday's defeat at Swansea, are United really that much better off after spending the thick end of £250m since?

Of course changes were needed; they always are at any football club. Every club is in transition all of the time, for if they stand still they start to slide. Post-Sir Alex Ferguson United was not going to be easy for anyone because of the near-complete control he had at the club.

You can argue the merits of any of the departures, too. Take Januzaj for example. He was given three games by Van Gaal at the start of this season, and by the third in Belgium he'd done little to convince that he deserved a place in the side.

But is that enough in these days of snap judgements, when too many fans demand new players and the buzz of a signing? When the club go along with that and measure that brief euphoria in social-media clicks as if they somehow translate to winning a football game at Anfield or Aston Villa?

United fans like Danny Welbeck, Cleverley and Evans have all left. None were world class -- none pretended to be -- but they were talented enough to contribute to United's first team under Ferguson.

They were good professional players and good people too, who were brought through the club's youth system and didn't complain when they were among the lowest-paid players in the first-team. Clubs need such players and fans need to have patience for such players.

I recently interviewed another Mancunian Red, Tyler Blackett, and appealed for questions from United fans. Sadly, almost every one was negative. Blackett, who has joined Celtic on loan, is a grounded lad who was brought up two miles from Old Trafford in a working-class background and supported United when most of his mates were City fans. He came out of an area with significant social problems to be a credit to his family and community.

Maybe Blackett is not good enough to play for United's first-team long term, but then nor does the patience exist for him to get the chance needed by young players, particularly defenders, whose craft is learnt gradually through often bitter experience. The thinking seems to be that, if they don't impress after five minutes, sell them.

If the club listened to its fans, they'd have no players left. All would have been sold at one time or another in their career, from Roy Keane to Ryan Giggs. At least Ferguson stuck by players when they were getting pilloried by their own. He was the boss and that was that; he needed to make the unpopular decisions.

So does Van Gaal and he has. He may look back at the current turbulence and say it was necessary to move the club forward. He has the experience, CV and strength of personality to succeed, but he's had 50 games in charge and there have been only limited signs of improvement in areas like defence.

He has been indulged on many levels, had his wishes granted, spent the money on the players he wants. Now they have to improve. United still need to buy more players in key positions, but they need to slow down off the pitch and speed up on it.



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