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Secular Buddhism:去除宗教元素的世俗佛家

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发表于 21-12-2025 03:41 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式


An introduction to secular Buddhism - Secular Buddhist Network
Basic elements of secular Buddhism
While all secular Buddhists share a skeptical view of the supernatural deities and processes of traditional Buddhism (e.g. rebirth), there is a wide range of views among secular Buddhists concerning various beliefs, perspectives and practices.

Even though there is no secular Buddhist orthodoxy, all secular Buddhists share a framework for a more mindful and compassionate life.

Awakening in the context in which we find ourselves, this framework is in essence a pragmatic program for human flourishing that has no use for metaphysical beliefs and religious truth-claims. A secular dharma stands for a developmental direction that is typically Buddhist in its open-minded skepticism and its desire to let the dharma speak most effectively, that is in culturally available terms.

Here are six key ideas shared by secular Buddhists:

Secular Buddhism is a ‘this-worldly’ practical and ethical philosophy, focused on the value of the dharma for and in this life.
Secular Buddhists are skeptical of or reject supernatural entities or processes (e.g,. rebirth) in traditional versions of Buddhism.
The Buddha is seen as an historical person, not a God-like figure.
We retain the essential insights of Buddhism while jettisoning cultural ‘accretions’ and practices not relevant to our contemporary world.
A secular approach to the dharma emphasizes the pragmatic and ethical dimensions of Buddhism rather than a set of metaphysical beliefs.
Secular Buddhists believe that we need not only to transform ourselves but to create a society which promotes the flourishing of all.

A core concept of secular Buddhism: the four tasks
An essential idea of secular Buddhism is that the core teachings and insights of the historical Buddha, Gotama, are not ‘truths’ to be believed but a ‘fourfold’ task to help us live our lives in a mindful and compassionate way.

The Four Noble Truths in traditional Buddhism are:
1) Life inevitably involves suffering;
2) Suffering is caused by craving;
3) We can be free of suffering if we stop craving; and
4) There is a way of thinking, acting, and meditating that leads to complete liberation from suffering.

Based on his analysis of the relevant Pali texts and the line of interpretation developed by the English-born Buddhist monk Ñāṇavīra Thera in the 1960s, Stephen Batchelor has retrieved The Four Noble Truths as a fourfold task. For Stephen, Gotama’s teachings about dukkha are not truths to be believed, but injunctions to transform our lives and promote human flourishing in this world.

The four tasks (ELSA) are:
Embrace life
Let reactivity be
See reactivity stop
Actualize a path

Buddhist modernism - Wikipedia
Other forms of Neo-Buddhism are found outside Asia, particularly in European nations.[52] According to Bernard Faure – a professor of Religious Studies with a focus on Buddhism, Neo-Buddhism in the forms found in the West is a modernist restatement, a form of spiritual response to anxieties of individuals and the modern world that is not grounded in its ancient ideas, but "a sort of impersonal flavorless or odorless spirituality". It is a re-adaptation, a kind of Buddhism "a la carte", that understands the needs and then is reformulated to fill a void in the West, rather than reflect the ancient canons and secondary literature of Buddhism.[53]

Some Western interpreters of Buddhism have proposed the term "naturalized Buddhism" for few of these movements. It is devoid of rebirth, karma, nirvana, realms of existence, and other concepts of Buddhism, with doctrines such as the Four Noble Truths reformulated and restated in modernistic terms.[6][54][note 1] This "deflated secular Buddhism" stresses compassion, impermanence, causality, selfless persons, no Bodhisattvas, no nirvana, no rebirth, and a naturalist approach to well-being of oneself and others.[56] Meditation and spiritual practices such as Vipassana, or its variants, centered around self-development remain a part of the Western Neo-Buddhist movements. According to James Coleman, the focus of most vipassana students in the west "is mainly on meditation practice and a kind of down-to-earth psychological wisdom."[57][note 2]

For many western Buddhists, the rebirth doctrine in the Four Noble Truths teaching is a problematic notion.[58][59][60][web 1][note 3] According to Lamb, "Certain forms of modern western Buddhism [...] see it as purely mythical and thus a dispensable notion."[60] Westerners find "the ideas of karma and rebirth puzzling", states Damien Keown – a professor of Buddhist Ethics. It may not be necessary to believe in some of the core Buddhist doctrines to be a Buddhist, though most Buddhists in Asia do accept these traditional teachings and seek better rebirth.[61][note 4] The rebirth, karma, realms of existence and cyclic universe doctrines underpin the Four Noble Truths in Buddhism.[61] It is possible to reinterpret the Buddhist doctrines such as the Four Noble Truths, states Keown, since the final goal and the answer to the problem of suffering is nirvana and not rebirth.[61]

According to Christopher Gowans, for "most ordinary Buddhists, today as well as in the past, their basic moral orientation is governed by belief in karma and rebirth".[68] Buddhist morality hinges on the hope of well being in this lifetime or in future rebirth, with nirvana (enlightenment) a project for a future lifetime. A denial of karma and rebirth undermines their history, moral orientation and religious foundations.[68] However, adds Gowans, many Western followers and people interested in exploring Buddhism are skeptical and object to the belief in karma and rebirth foundational to the Four Noble Truths.[68][note 9]

The "naturalized Buddhism", according to Gowans, is a radical revision to traditional Buddhist thought and practice, and it attacks the structure behind the hopes, needs and rationalization of the realities of human life to traditional Buddhists in East, Southeast and South Asia. Gowan posits that for traditional Buddhists, "naturalized Buddhism" might come across as a pale imitation of what Buddhism means in their life.[6]


世俗佛教,其实严格来说,已经不能算是宗教了。更像是哲学和练习方式。
个人觉得,这个更加适合21世纪的我们。
佛教成分:
1)佛家:哲学和原理
2)佛教:宗教和神话
3)佛法:修行方法

世俗佛教很简单,就是把宗教和神话的佛教给剔除,只留下佛家和佛法
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发表于 22-12-2025 01:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
问题来了,如何控制自己的好奇心去接触哲学以外的佛教知识?是引导?是阻止?是卸去?
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 楼主| 发表于 22-12-2025 05:22 PM | 显示全部楼层
开卷有益 发表于 22-12-2025 01:21 PM
问题来了,如何控制自己的好奇心去接触哲学以外的佛教知识?是引导?是阻止?是卸去? ...

有好奇心是好事来的,接触各种知识也是好事来的。

只要懂得分析和保持自己独立思考,能够把接触到的知识利益自己,而不是自己被知识损害,知识其实是多多益善的。

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发表于 22-12-2025 08:37 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
喜歡修行又不喜歡宗教可以去參加南傳禪修,它一上來就教人怎樣修禪,什麼意識形態很少說。自己修很難深入的,都要有步伐的引導才可以。
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发表于 22-12-2025 08:54 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
佛教世界是有寶物也有垃圾,華人世界是取垃圾扔寶物,白人世界學佛是取寶物扔垃圾。所以,華人學佛就前世報應滿天飛,白人學佛就是一個坐墊然後什麼都沒了。
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发表于 22-12-2025 09:00 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
佛教裡的禪修是走瑜伽桑雅士之道,佛教裡其他豐富各種各類的思想意識形態是走宗教路線。瑜伽桑雅士之道與宗教之路完全兩碼回事。
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发表于 22-12-2025 09:06 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
在這世界,你找不到全然不受宗教意識形態所污染的瑜伽桑雅士之道,你也找不到全然不受宗教污染的道家學術。所以,祛污染就要靠自己的辨識能力和意志了。
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发表于 22-12-2025 11:28 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
最原始的修行只有八正道而已,其它的不需要知道,该知道的会自然显现,不显现的就是假的。无常,无我,五蕴,缘起等等等都是需自然显现,以思考理解出的答案全是错误。
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发表于 22-12-2025 11:40 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
你理解出的哲学恕我直言都是鸡屎
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发表于 22-12-2025 11:44 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
从佛法中提炼出的哲学就是为佛法添置垃圾,要跟宗教和神话一块被扫除
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 楼主| 发表于 23-12-2025 01:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
susupapaya 发表于 22-12-2025 11:28 PM
最原始的修行只有八正道而已,其它的不需要知道,该知道的会自然显现,不显现的就是假的。无常,无我,五蕴 ...


八正道的第1和第2,就是正见和正思维。

如果什么都不知道而去修,叫做盲修。

至于八正道的正语,正业和正命,这个只具有参考价值,不是所有场景都一定要。

所以说,世俗佛教,是结合现代21世纪的人类知识,去寻求解脱烦恼之道。

以思考理解出的答案全是错误。


不思考而盲目相信,叫做迷信。
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 楼主| 发表于 23-12-2025 02:03 PM | 显示全部楼层
susupapaya 发表于 22-12-2025 11:40 PM
你理解出的哲学恕我直言都是鸡屎

世俗佛教secular buddhism,就是抛弃宗教元素,保留了哲学和修行方式的部分。

如果你认为传统佛教那些宗教元素都是真实不虚的,那么恕我直言,都是鸡屎。
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 楼主| 发表于 23-12-2025 02:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
susupapaya 发表于 22-12-2025 11:44 PM
从佛法中提炼出的哲学就是为佛法添置垃圾,要跟宗教和神话一块被扫除

四圣谛,三法印这些,属于佛家哲学,都要一块被扫除?
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发表于 23-12-2025 02:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
tuaceng 发表于 22-12-2025 05:22 PM
有好奇心是好事来的,接触各种知识也是好事来的。

只要懂得分析和保持自己独立思考,能够把接触到的知识 ...

问题是你时常说要把佛教分为几个部分,只修行哲学的部分,那么你要如何阻止你的信徒去认识你所去除的那一部分呢?
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 楼主| 发表于 23-12-2025 02:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
开卷有益 发表于 23-12-2025 02:14 PM
问题是你时常说要把佛教分为几个部分,只修行哲学的部分,那么你要如何阻止你的信徒去认识你所去除的那一 ...

本人要做的,不过是强调大家有逻辑思维,独立思考,这就够了。

反而,本人鼓励大家去接触任何知识,然后练习推理,分析,思考。

包括那些宗教神话,都可以接触,然后去练习自己的思考。

怎么说呢,比如你看superman会飞,你知道这是电影,是故事来的。
但是有些人,不会去分辨,就学superman飞,结果掉下去摔死了。

本人不会阻止大家去看superman电影,本人只对他们说,看了之后,任何资讯在接收的时候,记得用逻辑思维,独立思考,来分析和判断。
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发表于 23-12-2025 02:41 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
tuaceng 发表于 23-12-2025 01:59 PM
八正道的第1和第2,就是正见和正思维。

如果什么都不知道而去修,叫做盲修。

正思维(正意),正语(正口),正业(正身)
八正道就是修这三个,八个中只有这三个能修。
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发表于 23-12-2025 02:42 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
tuaceng 发表于 23-12-2025 02:04 PM
四圣谛,三法印这些,属于佛家哲学,都要一块被扫除?

这些不是哲学
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发表于 23-12-2025 02:45 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
你别只切割我最后一段话出来
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 楼主| 发表于 23-12-2025 02:46 PM | 显示全部楼层
susupapaya 发表于 23-12-2025 02:41 PM
正思维(正意),正语(正口),正业(正身)
八正道就是修这三个,八个中只有这三个能修。 ...

正见,是最重要的。


首先,我们为什么要修?这个才是最重要的问题。

很多人回答,要脱离六道轮回往生极乐世界,不再受到因果的缠绕,这个本人认为,这些人一开始就学歪了。
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 楼主| 发表于 23-12-2025 02:47 PM | 显示全部楼层

这些是哲学。
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