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民聯輸,只有一個原因

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发表于 6-5-2013 08:24 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
What happened?
Why did the unofficial results vary so much from the final announced ones?

I was a counting agent yesterday. Every candidate should have a Counting Agent (CA) to observe and verify the final count in the Saluran he/she is in.

This final count, recounted as many times as necessary, in front of witnesses (CA)s fr all parties contesting - is then put in a form. The Borang 14. The final count is written plainly there, and is agreed, approved and signed by reps from all parties.

And this is supposed to be final, brought to the main EC centre to be tallied. All ballot papers are sealed in bags and then in boxes. Because all the necessary recounts have already been done at each saluran. Really. We were very careful.

Now each Counting Agent will also bring this signed copy back to their party base, and the count from all the different salurans are tallied there. This is how 'unofficial' results come about.

Yesterday, by adding up all the 'scores' - it seemed like PR has won, and won big.

But no announcements were made. At the EC's main counting centres, recounts were requested on seats that BN lost in (even after all the different saluran had already confirmed the count), blackouts happened, mystery boxes appear - and then suddenly - BN candidates are winning. And then and only then, The EC comes out with official result statements: BN has won this seat, BN has won this other seat. Too dodgy.

When our country was born, the EC was formed independent from the executive, as it must be. Today, it answers to the Prime Minister Department. (Kinda like you organizing a contest, you make the rules, terms & conditions, and you are also contesting in it. After that you influence the judge's decision, and all judge's decisions are final. )

The EC has therefore, for a long time lost its voice and might I say, raison d'être. Depressing.
This is Mahathir's doing. It was during his 'far too long' reign that he constitutionally made the EC slave of the PMO.

FYI: It takes a 2/3 majority in Parliament to amend the constitution. Except for 1969, 2008, and now 2013, BN has always won 2/3 of Parliament, Sometimes even 90%. And here you don't really go against your supreme party or you get kicked out.

This is also why our constitution has been amended way too many times and usually for the benefit of a select few. BN. UMNO. And all their cronies.

The fact is:
Democracy didn't die yesterday in Malaysia, it died a long time ago. The moment the EC ceased to be independent.

We are finally realizing it, which means we are in motion to reclaim it. There is some form of respite in that, I guess. But we also know the journey ahead will not be easy. The way things are going, it looks like it will have to get a lot harder before it becomes better. For our sakes, and for our children and country - The people need to be resilient. We need to persevere.

And we need to take important steps.

Paramount to that is to urgently demand a complete reform of the Election Commission (SPR), detach it from the jurisdiction of the PMO, and give it back it's voice.

That, I think, would be a very crucial first step to resuscitate our democracy.

#BattleForMalaysia

不要跟我說你不懂英文,如果你要知道真相就要看。








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发表于 6-5-2013 08:45 PM | 显示全部楼层
這就是為甚麼我們會很支持競選盟!
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 楼主| 发表于 6-5-2013 08:56 PM | 显示全部楼层
rishifu 发表于 6-5-2013 08:45 PM
這就是為甚麼我們會很支持競選盟!

民聯贏了,和國陣會搞臭,昨晚我8點就知道了。因為我一邊在網上追成績,一邊看TV1,TV3 他們的反應。他們臉很臭,還開記者會說網上傳的不是真的成績,擺到明就是要玩臭了!!!
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发表于 6-5-2013 08:57 PM | 显示全部楼层
去哪里可以看到总投票人数?

两个 party 的得票数  远远超过了总投票人数

在 FB 的 analysis 已经被关掉了
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 楼主| 发表于 6-5-2013 09:00 PM | 显示全部楼层
momo^ 发表于 6-5-2013 08:57 PM
去哪里可以看到总投票人数?

两个 party 的得票数  远远超过了总投票人数

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 楼主| 发表于 6-5-2013 09:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 6-5-2013 09:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
全部都是他们的人,他们不依照法律程序给我们borang 14,我们要抗议他们就找警察进来,还有什么好说?我们以后是否需要有律师在投注站???
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 楼主| 发表于 6-5-2013 09:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
rockhwd 发表于 6-5-2013 09:04 PM
全部都是他们的人,他们不依照法律程序给我们borang 14,我们要抗议他们就找警察进来,还有什么好说?我们以 ...

這個國家還有“以後”嗎?我不知道....這21天上訴期是關鍵。
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发表于 6-5-2013 09:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
警察,军人,spr全部都是他们的人,怎样和他们玩??
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发表于 6-5-2013 09:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
coffeemate 发表于 6-5-2013 09:01 PM

这个说了是印刷问题。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 6-5-2013 09:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
rockhwd 发表于 6-5-2013 09:28 PM
这个说了是印刷问题。。。

那你解釋下10分鐘內國陣忽然狂勝的原因?

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发表于 6-5-2013 09:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
今天都在灰色的情绪中。。。。
对我国的政局失望到谷底。。。。。
几十年来第一次有这种心情,也许是看到希望后又被狠狠打破吧。。。。。
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发表于 6-5-2013 09:42 PM | 显示全部楼层
coffeemate 发表于 6-5-2013 09:34 PM
那你解釋下10分鐘內國陣忽然狂勝的原因?

我不需要对你解释为什么10分钟狂胜的原因。。。

我明白大家都很生气,失望,可是你这样只会把事情弄得更糟糕而已。。。

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发表于 6-5-2013 09:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
请明确地了列明有哪一个候选人在adding所有的form14后该胜又不胜的。 不然的话, 只是以讹传讹罢了。
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发表于 6-5-2013 09:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
rockhwd 发表于 6-5-2013 09:04 PM
全部都是他们的人,他们不依照法律程序给我们borang 14,我们要抗议他们就找警察进来,还有什么好说?我们以 ...

可以不给的咩?那个是每个saluran的最终成绩来的,每个监票的政党都要拿一张的嘛!他不给哪里可以带票箱离开saluran的?
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发表于 6-5-2013 09:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
怪不得安华忽然间说PR赢了,原来原先的成绩是PR赢了,然后BN重算加选票
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发表于 6-5-2013 09:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
angelbaby408 发表于 6-5-2013 09:08 PM
警察,军人,spr全部都是他们的人,怎样和他们玩??

我也是SPR的人,怎么说全部SPR是他们的人?
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发表于 6-5-2013 09:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
cheeleng 发表于 6-5-2013 09:48 PM
可以不给的咩?那个是每个saluran的最终成绩来的,每个监票的政党都要拿一张的嘛!他不给哪里可以带票箱离 ...

他们很多理由的咯,一开始跟他们讨就讲不得空咯,到算完票就讲要赶着回家了咯,跟他们僵持就叫警察进来。。。

当然不是全部都是这样,我负责的KTM和KERANI都很合作,可是有些saluran的就不那么顺利。。。

我还在找着法律程序上到底有没有规定一定要给agent的?你知道是什么法律,哪一条吗?
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发表于 6-5-2013 09:54 PM | 显示全部楼层
somewhat 发表于 6-5-2013 09:48 PM
请明确地了列明有哪一个候选人在adding所有的form14后该胜又不胜的。 不然的话, 只是以讹传讹罢了。

等看民联领袖们去查了咯。。。
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发表于 6-5-2013 09:56 PM | 显示全部楼层
rockhwd 发表于 6-5-2013 09:53 PM
他们很多理由的咯,一开始跟他们讨就讲不得空咯,到算完票就讲要赶着回家了咯,跟他们僵持就叫警察进来。 ...

叫警察进来也没用的嘛!填一张borang 14才几久哦?如果你是ejen,他不给你borang 14,你不要签名给他啦!他带去的票箱,没有全部ejen的签名是不受承认的咯!
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