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谈谈您觉得大马皇家海军应该有的后续发展或应增添什么装备?

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 楼主| 发表于 2-12-2012 10:52 PM | 显示全部楼层
HanKasturi 发表于 2-12-2012 03:10 PM
有啊

很巧的是,德国造船厂最近向我国推销4艘新型扫雷舰

德国的扫雷舰有什么好料?话说Mahamiru级再过3年就过30大寿了也不年轻了,是时候要寻找接班人啦!可是看到70后的Perdana级和Handalan级飞弹快艇都还在硬撑,Mahamiru级又能说什么呢?
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发表于 2-12-2012 10:55 PM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 2-12-2012 10:52 PM
德国的扫雷舰有什么好料?话说Mahamiru级再过3年就过30大寿了也不年轻了,是时候要寻找接班人啦!可是看到 ...

他们有offer给马来西亚了

我要找找那份宣传资料

记得有一份
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发表于 3-12-2012 12:52 AM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 2-12-2012 10:42 PM
同意你对Bofors 57公厘快炮射速高的见解。可是舰艇的主炮应该是负责反水面目标,比如海盗快艇、炮艇或沿岸 ...

]MSI Defence 30在LCS Gowing应该是新一代MARK2的吧,全自动化,可以打短程飞弹,打海盗等等,一分钟650发
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30m ... d_Small_Calibre_Gun 本帖最后由 waja2000 于 3-12-2012 12:57 AM 编辑

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发表于 3-12-2012 03:17 AM | 显示全部楼层
waja2000 发表于 2-12-2012 09:23 PM
下面看看


老兄,看来你是门外汉。


同一艘船的设计吃水Designed Draught 和结构吃水Scantling Draught是不同的!


结构吃水Scantling Draught 才是真正的最大吃水深!


我在38楼说的是最大吃水深!


一艘船只要负重不超过Scantling Draught,就不会有无端沉船的危险。


设计吃水Designed Draught 加上舰上的武器,人员,器材,家具,食,水,燃料,。。。  。。。 你说吃水有可能还维持3.8M吗?




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发表于 3-12-2012 03:28 AM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 2-12-2012 09:29 PM
名称而已啦~就好像前苏联硬要把基辅级航空母舰称为“战术航空巡洋舰”,把库兹涅佐夫号航空母舰称为“重 ...

对啊。你说的没错!

所以我才会感叹,反对党没有针对这点要求政府一定要买真正的LCS !

其次,如果买价廉物美的FREMM我也不反对!

6000吨的世界第一舰FREMM超级自动化!舰员只比2750吨的Gowind Malaysia多2个人!

虽然FREMM燃料用的比较多,但是我国是产油国!

我们继续讨论。



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发表于 3-12-2012 07:05 AM | 显示全部楼层
Boilwater 发表于 3-12-2012 03:28 AM
对啊。你说的没错!

所以我才会感叹,反对党没有针对这点要求政府 ...

那什么是可以在褐水区战斗的lcs啊

说谎越南b

心理不好过吧 没有盟友支援你

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发表于 3-12-2012 07:06 AM | 显示全部楼层
Boilwater 发表于 3-12-2012 03:17 AM
老兄,看来你是门外汉。

我们来看说谎b从越南带来的笑话
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发表于 3-12-2012 10:44 AM | 显示全部楼层
Boilwater 发表于 3-12-2012 03:28 AM
对啊。你说的没错!

所以我才会感叹,反对党没有针对这点要求政府 ...

别看那样basic啦,如果去了解道,法国的Fremm算是6000吨里面的“基本”版,减少了很多武器配备,只是属于防空型,所以只是编制108个人,而意大利的是反潜/多功能型,武器配件,声纳拖载,侦察,反舰,都比法国的Fremm强很多了, 因此控制官/技术人员也多了/工程师也多了,意大利的配置145个人,难道意大利的就算不超级自动化?多少人员编制都是看设备/武器多少来配置, 只要差不多就够了,欧美先进现代的护卫舰/驱逐舰的自动化水准,都差不多,人员的多少就看武器的多少,各种设备所需要的技术人员/工程师/控制官员的多少来配置。
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发表于 3-12-2012 11:58 AM | 显示全部楼层
waja2000 发表于 3-12-2012 10:44 AM
别看那样basic啦,如果去了解道,法国的Fremm算是6000吨里面的“基本”版,减少了很多武器配备,只是属于 ...


就算145人也很自动化啊!
上次你说喜欢的德国舰都要近200人喔.
所以,无论从人员,配备和超隐身性能FREMM都是世界前列.
6000吨排水量的身躯,居然能做到比3000吨拉法叶还要低的RCS...



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 楼主| 发表于 3-12-2012 12:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
法國版的FREMM共有攻陸型、反潛型以及防空型3款;意大利版的則有通用型和反潛型2款。個人比較喜歡DCN向希臘推銷FREMM版本,擁有16枚ASTER-15/30防空飛彈、16枚SCALP-NAVAL攻陸飛彈、24枚VL MICA-M短程防空飛彈、2組4聯裝MM40 Block 3反艦飛彈、一門127公厘主砲以及2門GDM-008 Millenium 35公厘機砲,能同時滿足防空、反潛以及攻陸等需求。

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发表于 3-12-2012 01:11 PM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 3-12-2012 12:40 PM
法國版的FREMM共有攻陸型、反潛型以及防空型3款;意大利版的則有通用型和反潛型2款。個人比較喜歡DCN向希臘 ...

说的好!
我推荐的就是希腊版的!
最重要的是法国大减价!  希腊版的FREMM卖到比Gowind还便宜...
而且给希腊5年免还期, 5年后才开始买单!


France Is About To Sell Four Of These $412 Million Warships To Impoverished Greece
October 17, 2011

German officials are up-in-arms over the planned sale of four DCNS FREMM multimission stealth frigates to heavily indebted Greece.
Spiegel reports the deal would provide up to four frigates at $412 million apiece in a purchase arrangement that would deliver the ships free of charge and offer a big discount when payment is due in five years.
An executive from the ThyssenKrupp group in Germany, that also competed for the Greek contract, complained by letter to the German government that the French purchase will essentially be co-financed by German taxpayers.



http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-17/news/30288645_1_frigate-german-officials-ships
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本帖最后由 Boilwater 于 3-12-2012 12:02 PM 编辑


越南B又来做可爱的事情了
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发表于 3-12-2012 02:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 3-12-2012 12:40 PM
法國版的FREMM共有攻陸型、反潛型以及防空型3款;意大利版的則有通用型和反潛型2款。個人比較喜歡DCN向希臘 ...

希腊的好像也是防空型, 没有看到有配上拖载声纳等等。
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发表于 3-12-2012 02:31 PM | 显示全部楼层
waja2000 发表于 3-12-2012 02:27 PM
希腊的好像也是防空型, 没有看到有配上拖载声纳等等。


GoWind有配上拖载声纳吗?
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发表于 3-12-2012 02:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
Boilwater 发表于 3-12-2012 02:31 PM
GoWind有配上拖载声纳吗?

如果不买TYPHOON  就有机会买到FREMM
=?
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 楼主| 发表于 3-12-2012 03:12 PM | 显示全部楼层
waja2000 发表于 3-12-2012 02:27 PM
希腊的好像也是防空型, 没有看到有配上拖载声纳等等。

對,沒有配備拖曳式可變深度聲納的資料。既然裝備127公厘主砲、攻陸飛彈、中程防空飛彈和短程防空飛彈,應該是全功能型吧(通用型+防空型)!畢竟希臘只採購6艘而已,肯定要求多功能性。

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发表于 20-2-2014 08:52 PM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 3-12-2012 03:12 PM
對,沒有配備拖曳式可變深度聲納的資料。既然裝備127公厘主砲、攻陸飛彈、中程防空飛彈和短程防空飛彈,應 ...

有消息了!

Thales On Board The LCS/SGPV

February 18, 2014

SHAH ALAM: Thales today confirmed that its SMART-S Mk2 radars and CAPTAS-2 sonar systems has been selected for the Royal Malaysian Navy LCS/SGPV programme. The announcement came after it received the LOA from Contraves Advanced Systems Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of the Boustead Heavy Industries Corporation Bhd. Contraves Advanced is the system integrator for Boustead Naval Shipyard the builder of the LCS/SGPV.
Lets hope they announced the missiles systems soon so they can start building the ships already.
Captas 2 and SMART-S MK-2

The Thales release:
Thales announces that it has signed a Letter of Award with Contraves Advanced Devices Sdn. Bhd. to supply six SMART-S Mk2 naval surveillance radar systems, as well as six CAPTAS-2 towed sonar systems for the Royal Malaysian Navy’s Second Generation Patrol Vessel (SGPV) Littoral Combat Ships (LCS).
The six SMART-S Mk2 radars will be installed on the Malaysian Littoral Combat Ships that are currently being built by Boustead Naval Shipyard Sdn Bhd in Malaysia. The first SMART-S Mk2 is expected to be delivered within the next few years. Thales in Hengelo (The Netherlands) will build and test the first two radars; the other four systems will be assembled and tested by Contraves in Malaysia, using Thales components and know-how.
The Royal Malaysian Navy has also selected the CAPTAS-2 which is part of the CAPTAS family of active Variable Depth Sonar (VDS). CAPTAS-2 is designed to perform against quiet submarines, enabling surface platforms to carry out all Anti-Submarine Warfare missions such as escort, prosecution, area sanitisation and own force protection.
The CAPTAS-2 Variable Depth Sonar comprises state-of-the-art innovative technologies that provides a high source level in a compact array. Furthermore, Thales’s unique towed triplet receive arrayprovides instant left/right ambiguity resolution, and is ideally suited for torpedo defence.
Thales is the European leader in naval radars and number one internationally for sonars and underwater systems. This new success confirms the position of the Group as a trusted partner to Navies worldwide.
About SMART-S Mk2
This contract raises the number of SMART-S Mk2 radar systems sold to well over 50. With the first system under contract in 2003 and operational in 2006, this radar is the world’s market leader in naval medium to long range 3D surveillance radars.
SMART-S Mk2 is a medium to long range air and surface surveillance radar that operates in E/F band (S-band), has full 3D coverage, up to 70 degrees in elevation and two operational modes with 250/150 kilometre range respectively. The system is optimised to provide medium to long range situational awareness and target designation in complex environments such as the littoral. The SMART-S Mk2 range performance is matched with the operational capabilities of modern AAW defence missiles systems. Its dedicated helicopter and short-range capabilities also make this radar the ideal sensor for helicopter-carrying amphibious ships, LPDs or small aircraft carriers.
SMART-S Mk2 has been designed for minimal support and easy installation. Maintenance-free mission capability is ensured by the use of solid-state transmitter technology and parallel processes. This, and more, make SMART-S Mk2 the 3D naval radar system of choice for littoral operations.
About CAPTAS-2
Thanks to substantial investments into the development of the CAPTAS family, CAPTAS-2 has benefitted from the on-going evolution of Thales’s sea proven technologies, ranging from acoustic components to the most state-of-the-art software processing,.
Within the last 20 years, more than
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发表于 20-2-2014 08:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
格瓦拉的长征 发表于 2-12-2012 02:38 PM
是吗? 以后就用水雷战了


马哈林暗示最终的选择是 Cobra Zulu, Typhoon and Saab 2000 AEW


Hope and You May Get…

February 20, 2014


KUALA LUMPUR: Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein told the Armed Forces today that he will do whatever it take to get the necessary funds to re-capitalise the services.
He said 35 years ago his father – who was then the Defence Minister – had initially ordered only 5 Nuri helicopters as they had only enough funds for the five. However, Hishammuddin said after listening to the arguments of the leaders of the Armed Forces then, his father Tun Hussein made sure that enough funds were allocated to buy another 35 Nuris.
Hishammuddin, speaking at the launch of the pictorial book, Malaysian Armed Forces : The Nation’s Shield 80th Anniversary, at the ministry’s auditorium pledged that he will do his utmost to ensure that the service will get the funds for the assets and capabilities they had asked for in their plans. He did not specify the assets or capabilities.
The pictorial book – the second update of the series – will be made available at local bookstores soon.
Later in a press conference, on Singaapore’s decision to ban an Indonesian naval ship named after two marines who were executing for a bombing incident on the island’s republic on March 10, 1965, Hishammuddin said it was a bilateral issue between both countries and Malaysia will not interfere in the issue. Any decision on the matter will be decided by Wisma Putera, according.
The bombing incident was part of Indonesia’s Ganyang Malaysia campaign and occurred four months before Singapore’s independence.
On the Nuri, Hishammuddin revealed that the Nuris were undergoing an upgrade programme which allow them to be in service for the foreseeable future. The upgrade programme will be done in conjunction with the Hercules SLEP and involved all of the aircraft in service (25 Nuris and 15 Hercules)
Both Hishammuddin and Armed Forces chief Tan Sri Jen Zukifeli Mohd Zin did not identify the company which is handling the project. It is an open secret that it is Airod of course.
Anyhow at the end of the PC, Zulkifeli said the RMN is expected to conduct the first bilateral exercise – CPX – with PLAN in May after the PM visit to Beijing to commemorate the 40th anniversary of diplomatic relations between both countries. The CPX will focus on either Humanitarian Assitance Disaster Recovery (HADR) or Counter-terrorism.
Zulkifeli rather exasperatedly acknowledged that a PLAN task force did sailed through James Shoal last month before transiting through Sunda Straits into the Indian Ocean. He said the PLAN ships was conducting a passage through the Malaysian EEZ and it was a normal one as just when the ships passed through the Malacca Straits. He blamed the media for sensationalising the issue as relations of between Malaysia and China was cordial and friendly.
On the procurement side, the X-band transponder for the Armed Forces use is expected to be ready by 2015, according to Zulkifeli.
For more on the PC see the video link below.




Anyhow does Hishammuddin pledge meant that they will buy the Cobra Zulu, Typhoon and Saab 2000 AEW tomorrow? Actually, Hishammuddin already bought the Typhoons – the Streit Typhoon MRAP – for PDRM already (six of them) but what about the MRCA then?
Since there is no allocation for the Cobra Zulu, Typhoon and Saab AEW in the 10th Malaysian Plan, the best thing he can do is to make sure that the funds are allocated in the 11th Malaysian Plan which will come on line from the middle of 2015. That was how we got our Nuris in the first place.

http://www.malaysiandefence.com/?p=4108


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 楼主| 发表于 21-2-2014 08:20 AM | 显示全部楼层
cyberjaye 发表于 20-2-2014 08:59 PM
马哈林暗示最终的选择是 Cobra Zulu, Typhoon and Saab 2000 AEW

Hope  ...

Cobra Zulu = AH-1Z Viper?繼Eurocopter和Agusta Westland後,有意引進美國Bell的直升機?

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发表于 21-2-2014 05:56 PM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 21-2-2014 08:20 AM
Cobra Zulu = AH-1Z Viper?繼Eurocopter和Agusta Westland後,有意引進美國Bell的直升機?


是的,这款新武直目前只有美国有和南韩要买.



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