馬數十億購新戰機‧法美俄英瑞典競逐合約（星洲日报4/9））

waja2000

detectivebinbin 发表于 11-3-2013 07:37 PM
目前正在操作著至少4種：SU-30MKM、F/A-18D、Hawk Mk208、MiG-29N，F-5E/F不知道還服役嗎？新的MRCA預計將 ...

我想他意思应该是主力战机吧 ...
Hawk在TUDM应该只是当作教练机吧 .... 虽然是轻型战机
要淘汰是迟早问题 .. 使用已经超过万小时 ， 在升级没有什么意义。
之前已经有意思购入新教练机， 但是国防预算缘故吧....

waja2000

MARK-II 发表于 11-3-2013 08:18 PM
美國人不是BAE或DASSAULT，不善搞宣傳造勢，他們會通過政治手段爭取，故此民眾不會特別留意到BOEING。
我 ...

也对， 上次买F18好像就是用政治手段比大马买到的。

Boilwater

detectivebinbin 发表于 11-3-2013 09:05 PM
哦～查到了，原來是合約總額達4億2百萬令吉的升級計劃，包括翻修Adour引擎以及更換新的航電和電戰系統。結 ...

虽然不敢肯定，但是我猜BAE可能提供免费的鹰Upgrade外加技术转移。
Hawk的失事率高仅限大马，或其他购买国失事率也一样高才是关键！

Boilwater

ivan6003 发表于 11-3-2013 09:08 PM
希望咯，真的不知很喜欢阵风

说的对！
阵风在广告媒体的面前被包装的很好，事实上这架战机有很多问题。其中Perajurit就点中了超高Hidden cost的要害，Gempurwira甚至直接把阵风刷掉！

風大浪高

猜BAE可能提供免费的鹰Upgrade外加技术转移

原来可以用来猜！ 免费的鹰Upgrade加技术转移？  

Boilwater

不知强以为知！

100 pages paperworks list of Eurofighter Typhoon technology transfer (技术转移) into Malaysia is ready！

KUALA LUMPUR, April 16 (Bernama) -- BAE Systems, a global defence, security and aerospace company, has a ready proposal for the Malaysian government in its bid for the Royal Malaysian Air Force's MiG-29N replacement contract.

The proposal comprised a 100-page list of technologies that the company was willing to transfer as well as names of local and overseas companies that were willing to participate in the process, said Group Business Development Director Alan Garwood.

Citing the example of Composites Technology Research Malaysia Sdn Bhd, he said when the company started the project, it was only manned by several skilled people and today the staff strength has grown to some 1,200 working on every Airbus model.

source: Bernama

Boilwater

waja2000 发表于 11-3-2013 10:09 PM
我想他意思应该是主力战机吧 ...
Hawk在TUDM应该只是当作教练机吧 .... 虽然是轻型战机
要淘汰是迟早问 ...

BAE已经开始了属下security company的off set计划，另外我好奇的是BAE到底会带甚么样的汽车混合动力Engine技术进来。。。你好奇吗？


Eurofighter consortium ready to invest RM6.3bil in offset programmes

LONDON: Eurofighter consortium, lead by BAE Systems, is ready to invest RM6.3 billion in offset programmes designed specifically for Malaysia within the next five years.

BAE Systems' Senior Industrial Partnerships and Offset Manager, Mike Perret said the group has collectively invested RM3.5 billion over the last five years in Malaysia.

"We been talking to our European partner companies involved in the Eurofighter Typhoon and that's the level of investment that they already and are planning to undertake..

"Together with our European partners, we're looking at delivering significant value - not only original equipment manufacturer partners, but also supply chains down to SMEs.

"We have the financial and technical capability to deliver," Perret told Bernama at BAE Systems' facilities in Warton, about 400km from here.

He said the group was looking at the best long-term offset projects with genuine technologies, not only on a national basis, but also regionally, thus providing access for Malaysian companies to move into global growth.

Primarily most of the projects are in the manufacturing sector but the global defence, aerospace and security company would like to move away from traditional manufacturing into areas such as avionics and green technologies.

Perret said Malaysia has moved into different industrial relations particularly in its offset requirements.

"In the past offset used to be around what we called "build to print" projects. You set up a factory, produce an item and sell it at market place. Generally those programmes been short-lived and difficult to sustain. That's more in the past.

"The growth that Malaysia is looking for now is in terms of per capita growth which is more likely to come out of the transfers of capabilities and technologies.

"We are now focusing our offset programmes in industrial partnering in areas around technologies and working at how we might exploit them," he said.

Citing an example, Perret said BAE Systems has an advanced technology centre in United Kingdom with about 450 engineers working predominantly on Blue Skies Technologies.

"We take the technologies that we developed and apply them to our business in terms of aerospace and defence but many of those technologies have the potential spin off that isn't aerospace or defence and could be exploited but we don't exploit them because it's not our core business," he added.

Perret said BAE Systems was prepared to share the intellectual property rights that it developed with companies that could exploit the technologies in areas outside technologies and defence.

"This is the model we know the Malaysian Industry-Government Group for High Technology (MIGHT) has been emphasising in their work - in terms of what technologies that can benefit Malaysia and also what technologies being developed in Malaysia that could be exploited through a company like BAE Systems that will have a global reach," Perret said.

The group is also looking at opportunities to provide technology that is not only for Malaysia's requirement but making the country the central focal point for expansion in the Asean region.

In relation to this, BAE Systems plans to transfer a hybrid technology for fuel systems for vehicles such as buses, trucks and military vehicles in Malaysia for the Asean market.

"We're hoping that the on-going discussions and negotiations that we're having will result in being able to set up the project in Malaysia," Perret added.

Source:  BERNAMA

ivan6003

RSSFORMIDABLE 发表于 11-3-2013 09:28 PM
台风战机在网民的面前被包装的很好 事实上这架战机有很多问题

我个人喜欢而已啦。。。

Boilwater

ivan6003 发表于 12-3-2013 12:56 AM
我个人喜欢而已啦。。。

希望BAE把这个技术转移给我们！
有了这个就能把普通直升机改成武直，而且改进型将来也可能装在装甲车或F/A-18大黄蜂！

APKWS is a semi-active laser guided 2.75in version of the existing Hydra 70 unguided rocket system and consists of BAE-built mid-body guidance unit (WGU-59/B).
The weapon system also validated its ability to strike against stationary and moving targets from Bell AH-1W Super Cobra, UH-1Y Helos helicopters and a Beechcraft AT-6 light attack/trainer aircraft.
If successful, the weapon could potentially be integrated onto the Boeing F/A-18 Hornet。


美国贝尔407GT直升机成功发射制导火箭弹(图)            
        2013年03月11日

3月11日电 据中国国防科技信息网报道，近日，一名美国贝尔直升机公司的试飞员在美国亚利桑那州尤马试验场从贝尔407GT直升机上发射了7枚70毫米先进精确杀伤武器系统(APKWS)，这是该武器用于贝尔407GT直升机的安全性和适应性鉴定的一部分。到完成这次制导发射为止，贝尔公司已证实APKWS火箭弹能用于贝尔407GT直升机。

　　BAE系统公司精确制导武器负责人大卫•哈罗德说：“我们这种高精确的APKWS火箭弹以直瞄和离轴两种方式攻击了1.5～5千米内的目标，每次均击中了目标(一种轻型装甲车)。采用贝尔407GT作为发射平台的意义重大，它是第一种经过此鉴定的商用直升机武装化改型，可执行一系列广泛的任务。”

http://www.chinanews.com/mil/2013/03-11/4633046.shtml

風大浪高

果然他是强不知以为知，自我感觉良好。
以上的和＂猜鹰免费Upgrade和技术转移＂何关？
世界上若真有军火商搞免费的话，也早就倒闭了。

RSSFORMIDABLE

ivan6003 发表于 12-3-2013 12:56 AM
我个人喜欢而已啦。。。

没有问题  我下次送你BAE的军品，有台风的哦

RSSFORMIDABLE

風大浪高 发表于 12-3-2013 09:45 AM
果然他是强不知以为知，自我感觉良好。
以上的和＂猜鹰免费Upgrade和技术转移＂何关？
世界上若真有军火商 ...

那是台风的offset offer

HAWK免费Upgrade和技术转移？  BAE不是慈善机构

Boilwater

風大浪高 发表于 12-3-2013 09:45 AM
果然他是强不知以为知，自我感觉良好。
以上的和＂猜鹰免费Upgrade和技术转移＂何关？
世界上若真有军火商 ...

废话！
当然是买台风才有63亿的Offset, 其中可以包括BAE Security and cyber保安系统的区总部设在KL,增加Air bus的新零件在SME的生产，战机机术转移，教练机技术转移，教练机免收费Upgrade，混合动力重型和轻型Engine技术转移，台风部份零件在SME的生产，寻找本地SME合作MRO ... ...

ivan6003

Boilwater 发表于 12-3-2013 06:06 PM
放心吧！
大局差不多已定了.
连不收红包真正的军事大师D基韩今天也给大家暗示了。 ...

我还是觉得大黄蜂比较实用

Boilwater

ivan6003 发表于 12-3-2013 06:14 PM
我还是觉得大黄蜂比较实用

一众入选战机中,论维修和妥善率,的确是大黄蜂最强.
论价格则鹰狮的租用最便宜.
论静止到爬升的反应速度,超机动性能,63亿Off set program,隐身涂料雷达截面,等等都是台风的天下.
其中台风是公认唯一4代半战机里面能够做到超音速巡航的机种!   

風大浪高

Boilwater 发表于 12-3-2013 06:06 PM
放心吧！
大局差不多已定了.
连不收红包真正的军事大师D基韩今天也给大家暗示了。 ...

版主为何轻轻放过？

風大浪高

Boilwater 发表于 12-3-2013 06:25 PM
一众入选战机中,论维修和妥善率,的确是大黄蜂最强.
论价格则鹰狮的租用最便宜.
论静止到爬升的反应速度 ...

一众入选战机中，论价格和未来保养费，的确是台风最昂贵，最天价，最难维持。
看看已取消的大马Hawk Upgarde计划，BAE敢敢索价几亿令吉！

（某人说BAE免费upgrade Hawk，他以为BAE是慈善机构？）。

waja2000

好吧台风赢blower请客吃饭，阵风赢阵营请客吃饭， F18赢的就F18支持者请吧 ...

Boilwater

waja2000 发表于 13-3-2013 01:10 AM
好吧台风赢blower请客吃饭，阵风赢阵营请客吃饭， F18赢的就F18支持者请吧 ...

台风赢应该让"无可争议"来请客！