关于共管公寓的问题

counterking

小弟的apartment已经申请成为了JMB (join management body)，就是和发展商一起管理apartment (之前是居民协会），也已经拿到市议会那里拿到certificate了

请问下。。。是否现在我们可以对付欠maintainance不还的屋主？可以封他们的屋？

LazyQueen

BUILDING AND COMMON PROPERTY (MAINTENANCE AND MANAGEMENT) ACT 2007


32.  Recovery of charges by Joint Management Body.

(1) Where maintenance charges become recoverable by the Body from a purchaser by virtue of section 23, the Body may serve on the purchaser a written notice requesting payment of the sum due within such period, which shall not be less than fourteen days from the date of service of the notice, as may be specified in the notice.

(2) If at the end of the period specified in the notice under subsection (1) the sum or part of the sum due remains unpaid, the Body may serve on the purchaser a further written notice demanding payment of the sum due within fourteen days from the date of service of the notice; and if upon the expiry of the said period, the sum due still remains unpaid, the Body may institute proceedings in any court of competent jurisdiction for the recovery of the said sum or, in addition or as an alternative to recovery under this section, resort to recovery under section 33.

(3) Where a managing agent has been appointed by the Commissioner under section 25 to maintain and manage a development area, a notice sent by the managing agent shall be deemed to have been sent by the developer or Body.

LazyQueen

33.  Recovery of arrears of charges.

(1) Where the amount of charges payable is in arrears for six months, the Commissioner may, at the request of the developer or Body, issue a warrant of attachment in Form B of the Second Schedule authorizing the attachment of any movable property belonging to the purchaser which may be found in the parcel or elsewhere within the local authority area.

(2) No warrant of attachment shall be issued by the Commissioner unless the Commissioner has served a notice in Form A of the Second Schedule on the purchaser or any one of the purchasers of the parcel, if more than one, requesting him to pay the arrears within fourteen days of the service by posting or delivery.

(3) The warrant shall be executed by an officer from the office of the Commissioner who shall make an inventory of the property attached and at the same time give notice in Form C of the Second Schedule to the person who at the time of attachment appears to be the person in possession of the property.

(4) Such officer may, in the daytime, effect forcible entry into any parcel or building or any part of the parcel or building for the purpose of effecting the attachment.

(5) Unless the arrears and the collection charges are paid within seven days of the attachment of the property, the property attached shall be sold by public auction.

(6) Where any amount is recovered by the Commissioner under this section, the Commissioner may deduct from such amount collection charges of such amount as may be prescribed by the Minister, with the concurrence of the State Authority.

(7) Any amount recovered by the Commissioner, after the deduction of the collection charges, shall be deposited into the Building Maintenance Fund as soon as practicable.

(8) Any surplus, after the deduction of any amount by the Commissioner under subsection (6), shall be paid to the person who, at the time of the attachment was or appeared to be in possession of the property.

LazyQueen

你必需给14天的通知要求还钱。他没还，再14天通知。两次14天的通知都没还的话。那么你可以：-
1）去法庭诉他；和、或
2）（如果欠的钱超过6个月）去市议会的COB那里要求COB充公他的产业。

CEO

楼主，不好意思。我有个问题也是关于公寓的问题，不知能不能借楼呢？

CEO

我居住的apartment也是JMB (join management body)。
可是居民协会的commity却滥用权力。
1。reserve 了三个visitor parking(总数只有15个）。理由是reserve给主席，副主席（他自己），和秘书。
- 之后太多居民和他吵架，他就说reserve给bomba,polis, 和ambulance
2。他随兴的禁止居民的朋友或亲戚park车在visitor parking。
- 他指示保安不允许我朋友park在visitor parking，理由是他每天都来

请问各位大大有什么法律上的行动我可以做吗？或有什么方法吗？

jasonhanjk

不可以vote掉他们吗？

LazyQueen

在agm 或 egm 是提议remove他们。。。。。

阿才

原帖由 CEO 于 15-6-2009 12:58 PM 发表
我居住的apartment也是JMB (join management body)。
可是居民协会的commity却滥用权力。
1。reserve 了三个visitor parking(总数只有15个）。理由是reserve给主席，副主席（他自己），和秘书。
- 之后太多居民和他吵架，他就说reserve给bomba,polis, 和ambulance   
2。他随兴的禁止居民的朋友或亲戚park车在visitor parking。
- 他指示保安不允许我朋友park在visitor parking，理由是他每天都来   

请问各位大大有什么法律上的行动我可以做吗？或有什么方法吗？

1. reserve visitor parking 给 bomba,polis 和 ambulance 只能最多一个或两个 他们不可能每天都来
    而且那些 reserve 给 bomba, polis 和 ambulance 的 parking 只能在 guard house 附近
    如果在 parcel 里面就讲不通了
2. Management 是有理由阻止每天都来访的外来客人 park 在 visitor parking
   想一下 一栋 200 间的 apartment 有 4 个 visitor parking 而你邻居每天都有朋友来 park 了一个
    那么每逢高峰期 就剩下 3 个位了 那么对别人不公平
   他们其实可以 set 说 一个月最多 4 visits / 8 days 不可以立刻阻止

你能做的就是去 COB 投诉 或者自己赶快拿 strata title. 下一届 AGM 干掉他们

阿才

回楼主的问题

你们的 management 还是由发展商的 building manager 管理
还是已经 appoint 了一间 property management consultants?

counterking

我们是居民和发展商（开会从没来过）一起管理。。。

原帖由 阿才 于 16-6-2009 12:40 AM 发表
回楼主的问题

你们的 management 还是由发展商的 building manager 管理
还是已经 appoint 了一间 property management consultants?

阿才

I mean 那个 BUILDING MANAGER 是你们委任的 还是发展商委派的

CEO

那就只好在下一届再干掉他吧。。。如果他没有作更过分的事情的话。。。
顺带一提，我记得上次他的亲戚来时。visitor parking 没有位子了。但他硬硬要park在里面。要park在一个不是parking的空位，是一个锁着的出口(给bomba进来得，incase发生火灾）:@ :@ 当然那时的commitee不给他park。可能他怀恨在心吧。 所以这届他可以为所欲为。。。
其实我们只是不高兴他喜欢就给，不喜欢就不给。。。没有一个standard的rule。到好像他爸爸买的样子。
PS:如果他没有给maintenance fees 呢？我们可以罢免他吗？

[ 本帖最后由 CEO 于 18-6-2009 10:03 AM 编辑 ]

jasonhanjk

原帖由 CEO 于 2009/6/18 09:59 AM 发表
PS:如果他没有给maintenance fees 呢？我们可以罢免他吗？

这不是在滥用职权以得到私人益处吗？

阿才

成为 committee member 的其中一个条件就是要准时缴交 Maintenance fee, sinking fund, insurance,quit rent, water charges and other charges.

如果他没有缴交 after several reminder. 你可以叫 Building Manager 去 COB 申请 然后召开 EGM - extraordinary General Meeting.

CEO

谢谢指导。
我的车被刮花了 不知道是不是他干的tmd。:@ :@ :@

阿才

如果你们的停车场没有挂 PARK AT YOUR OWN RISK 这个牌
而你的车在公寓里面被刮花了 你可以要求赔偿

直接找 BUILDING MANAGER 看他怎么处理 呵呵

CEO

大大，BUILDING MANAGER是JMB的还是commitee的？

阿才

Building Manager 那个就是在 Management office 里面最大的那条卡佬咯
一栋大的 apartment 一定有
Admin clerk - 就是收钱出单的那个 通常都是女生
Chargeman - 维护发电机，Control panel, M & E 等等
Technician - 水喉，电灯，lum sum
Cleaning supervisor - 管理全部清洁工人
Security officer - 管理全部的保安人员

全部人的头就是 Building Manager 咯

0214

building manager 其实是要做什么的？他们负责什么东西？赔钱不是由委员会决定的么？