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原帖由 豬頭 于 21-1-2007 09:15 PM 发表
結果就是你推我﹐我推你﹐結果是沒有人或者是教會要負責?而且到今 天好象沒有後悔或者是歉意﹐那是不是表示基督教徒還是默人教會迫害哥白尼﹐人為這樣的舉動是對的?
那是很久的時候了﹐我也不清楚有沒道歉
我有本書﹐是歐洲以前的歷史和科學之間的互動
我找找看有沒有。。。呵 |
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发表于 21-1-2007 09:20 PM
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原帖由 kamwah 于 21-1-2007 09:17 PM 发表
那是很久的時候了﹐我也不清楚有沒道歉
我有本書﹐是歐洲以前的歷史和科學之間的互動
我找找看有沒有。。。呵
好的﹐希望你能找到那本書。 |
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发表于 21-1-2007 09:22 PM
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原帖由 豬頭 于 21-1-2007 09:20 PM 发表
好的﹐希望你能找到那本書。
其實那本書只是引論而已
好吧﹐盡力找 |
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发表于 21-1-2007 09:24 PM
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发表于 21-1-2007 09:27 PM
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原帖由 kamwah 于 21-1-2007 07:54 PM 发表
那是歷史問題
不是因為女性的問題啦
不是因为歧視女性,所以天主教才出现吗?两个的性制不同 |
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发表于 21-1-2007 09:28 PM
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回复 #200 coolbreeze18 的帖子
习惯就好.. 还有一个更可怕, 什么都不会, 可是又喜欢乱放屁 |
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发表于 21-1-2007 09:47 PM
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原帖由 tsetzuu 于 21-1-2007 09:27 PM 发表
不是因为歧視女性,所以天主教才出现吗?两个的性制不同
不是呀﹐是因為某些因素羅
嗯。。這么好好研究教會的歷史了 |
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发表于 22-1-2007 12:30 AM
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请问,这些是出自什么宗教的圣经?
我从来没有在我家的那本圣经里读过这些咧。。。 |
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发表于 22-1-2007 12:46 AM
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因為有某些人亂說話﹐所以他們就誤會了。。。
有時後要看完整篇東西才能好好的解釋的呀
希望各位不是基督徒的朋友多多包涵呀
求你們不要誤會了。。paiseh不好意思 |
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发表于 22-1-2007 01:17 AM
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原帖由 豬頭 于 21-1-2007 06:17 PM 发表
現在的基督教或許沒有歧視女性﹐不過以前就絕對有﹐而且不只如此﹐還把真話說出的哥白尼給殺了﹐這就是殘暴的證明。
至于說聖經每句話都要讀完才會不段章取義﹐其實這也不一定對﹐因為基督徒一直堅持的是聖 ...
主题在谈 圣经中对女人的看法。
要做理性的探讨、交流, 就该尊重主题。
不要人家讲东你说西。谁说哥白尼是被殺的? 拿出历史证据来?
教会确实经过一段非常黑暗时期,当时在欧洲教廷与政权挂钩, 非常腐败, 也曾经害死不少人, 包括许多基督徒。
但历史告诉我们哥白尼不是被殺的。 不懂就不要乱讲。
“不過以前就絕對有”? 证据在那里?
如果你是指中国人,你我的祖宗,我就绝对相信。
虽然这曾经发生在中国的历史, 但这也不表示中国的古代正统经典歧视女人。
智慧人就看到是人性本身的丑恶。 |
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发表于 22-1-2007 01:21 AM
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原帖由 YingJie 于 22-1-2007 01:17 AM 发表
主题在谈 圣经中对女人的看法。
要做理性的探讨、交流, 就该尊重主题。
不要人家讲东你说西。谁说哥白尼是被殺的? 拿出历史证据来?
教会确实经过一段非常黑暗时期,当时在欧洲教廷与政权挂钩, 非 ...
我正在要尋找。。嘻嘻
所以﹐希望大家以和為貴 |
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发表于 22-1-2007 08:53 AM
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发表于 25-12-2010 02:26 PM
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宗教迫害从以前就一直存在,只不过看现在任认不认而已。
对我而言,每个宗教都有黑暗的过去,不对的行为和荒谬的言论。但是只要承认过去,多数人都不追究。但是很多宗教人士选择反驳以前的过错,合理化理想化以前荒谬的言论,也就是死不承认。就好像第二次世界大战后,日本还是有部分人不承认自己祖先在二战的暴行,尽管证据已经摆在眼前。
假如一个宗教会承认过去荒唐荒谬的过去和言论,以前车之鉴来改善现在的宗教教导。这就是我最尊敬的宗教。可惜的是,几乎没有。 |
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丈夫发现新娘不是处女, 可乱石砸死 (申命记)
本帖最后由 byte77 于 7-1-2011 08:45 AM 编辑
丈夫发现新娘不是处女, 可乱石砸死 (申命记)
http://blog.wenxuecity.com/blogview.php?date=200912&postID=27810
“贞节”和“贞操”只是对女性而言的。按照“圣经”的律法,女人在新婚时如果失去了“贞操”,被丈夫发现不是处女,或者丈夫不喜欢新嫁娘,他可以宣布她失去了贞操。这时,新娘就失去了“赎罪”的机会的,被宣判了死刑。
“圣经”中的申命记22节里有明确的、详细的律法:
"Ifany man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hate her ... and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel ... Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die."
中文大意: 如果一个男人娶了妻,跟她上床后恨这个女人,不喜欢她了, 他可以宣布她失去了贞操,不是处女。如果这个女人的父亲拿不出女儿是处女的证据(带血的床单)让长老们确认,那么,他们可以把女人带到她父亲的门前,让城里的男人乱石砸死她。
陈鼓应:耶稣新画像──《圣经》讨论
http://www.rjfx.net/dispbbs.asp?boardid=4&replyid=17878&id=4864&page=1&skin=0&Star=1
(二八)
「你不能容女巫(Sorcerss)存活。」(《出埃及记》22章18节)
除了耶稣对于不信仰者的诅咒之外,在《圣经》中很少有这样可怕的教诫了。
十四世纪以后的三百多年间,有三十多万的妇女借这教诫之名而遭残害。在Toulouse一地,有一天就活活烧死了四百人。
圣女贞德就是以女巫的罪名被烧死的(教会残害她之后又敕封她)。那些时日,欧洲几乎每一个村镇中的火刑,都是根据《圣经》这最高权威而来的法令执行着。
(四五)
以色列人和米甸人打仗,杀了所有的男丁,掳获所有的妇女,凯旋而归,摩西看了,大为生气地说:「你们要存留这一切妇女的活命么?」摩西遂命令将无辜的妇女小孩统统杀光。(《民数记》31章15至17节)
这是耶和华和摩西的一贯作风:攻打一个地方,就「把有人烟的各城,连妇女带孩子,尽都毁灭。没有留下一个」。
许多对于《圣经》有朦胧好感的人,听到这种惨无人道的事述,作何感想?
Rape in the Bible
http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm
Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape. How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me. Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible.
So grab your Bibles and follow along as I show you all the nasty rapes that your priests and preachers don't want to tell you about. Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife". Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives.
5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
It is clear that God doesn't give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property".
7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
Once again GGGod approves of forcible rape.
9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB) |
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发表于 10-1-2011 11:52 PM
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真是搞不明白为什么圣经有那么多惨无人道的上帝旨意,基督徒们还是可以硬硬的解释。有些还说是上帝的善并不是我们人间的善,既然上帝的善不符合人间的善,就变成恶了。可能基督徒是冲着“信耶稣得永生”而信的,是善是恶都不管了 |
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发表于 13-1-2011 02:20 PM
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坦白说,看到以上这家伙讲的话,我快要气到爆了,以上的话完全漠视女性的尊严!!!
fcthow 发表于 17-4-2004 01:32 AM
当她们不是人。。。。。 |
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发表于 20-1-2011 04:53 PM
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发表于 28-1-2011 01:15 AM
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可怜的女人,有点性歧视 |
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