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发表于 13-10-2010 01:43 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 东方朔 于 13-10-2010 01:48 AM 编辑
请问一下大大 旖旎的看法 这个世界上 除了巴勒斯坦之外  还有多少个国家的存在不是以前打回来的 那么是 ...
真东辉 发表于 13-10-2010 12:14 AM


泰国,文莱,日本是占领别人的土地吗?
还有,你可以谴责别人,但是不想让人谴责,就说什么别人不老实。
难道你很老实?
什么逻辑嘛。
就像巴勒斯坦可以攻打以色列,以色列不可以攻打巴勒斯坦。
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发表于 13-10-2010 10:02 AM | 显示全部楼层
犹太之前叫希伯来,再之前好像叫闪族(忘记了)
可以参考下

以前有看过更久的历史,不过忘记了。
东方朔 发表于 12-10-2010 05:07 PM


我希望你可以购买历史书籍,我说的是真正的历史,不是网络上的百科。
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发表于 13-10-2010 12:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
我希望你可以购买历史书籍,我说的是真正的历史,不是网络上的百科。
darkcat 发表于 13-10-2010 10:02 AM



真正的历史?
你不要跟我讲是大马版的历史,
还是圣经版的历史。
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发表于 13-10-2010 01:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
泰国,文莱,日本是占领别人的土地吗?
还有,你可以谴责别人,但是不想让人谴责,就说什么别人不老实 ...
东方朔 发表于 13-10-2010 01:43 AM


我是在问你 那些有攻打的 应该怎么办啦?

什么时候有谴责过你呢? 对了 有时候那些人心中有鬼 是会认住认住的。
我不是一个很老实的人, 但是你也还没有回答我的问题啊!
到底别的是不是应该还呢? 阿就最近要藏独  那应该怎么办呢?hmm  just wondering
呵呵

我的回复 也只是讲那个fact出来而已
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发表于 13-10-2010 01:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
去翻翻外国人写的历史吧
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发表于 13-10-2010 03:57 PM | 显示全部楼层
什么时候有谴责过你呢? 对了 有时候那些人心中有鬼 是会认住认住的。
真东辉 发表于 13-10-2010 01:08 PM


我看你是针对伊斯兰  而不是 谁打谁
至少对于我看你的回复  你是100% 在针对宗教

这个不是谴责,不然是在奉承吗?

西藏闹独立,是大多数藏族要独立呢?
还是那个人要独立呢?
如果大多数人要独立,
可以像东帝汶一样公投独立。
但是据我所知西藏闹独立的只是少数人而已。
难道要多数服从少数吗?
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发表于 13-10-2010 04:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 东方朔 于 13-10-2010 04:10 PM 编辑
去翻翻外国人写的历史吧
darkcat 发表于 13-10-2010 01:08 PM



我看了很多犹太历史,
都是讲述犹太的发源地在中东那一带,
后来流亡全世界直到以色列的独立。
在舊約聖經好像有提到犹太历史。
不知道可兰经有记录到吗?
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发表于 13-10-2010 07:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
马来西亚是比较特殊的国家,马来西亚给予人民宗教自由,同时间维护马来西亚的官方宗教:伊斯兰。

和印尼比较起来,马来西亚自由多了。几十年前印尼严禁华裔讲华语,读或者教中文。甚至连华文名字都不被允许。 当印尼发生地震后,记者访问印尼华侨时竟发现他们不懂得说华语。

回到 Murtad (退出伊斯兰)的问题, 视乎他是自从生长以来就是穆斯林或者是 Muallaf (从非伊斯兰教徒成为伊斯兰教徒)。最近 Pejabat Agama 正探讨这课题,目前为止还没有定论但肯定的是已经有一小部分 Muallaf 退出了,前提是他/她无法接受伊斯兰或者没有意愿。所以在 KL 若有谁想成为穆斯林必需上课学习基本的伊斯兰教义一段时期后才能允许进入伊斯兰。
darkcat 发表于 13-10-2009 10:58 AM


这更典型的马来西亚部长心态很像..
都是拿差的国家来显示自己的好..那些好的.就看不到..
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发表于 13-10-2010 07:18 PM | 显示全部楼层
那么那个时候美国攻打伊拉克 是多数人赞同 还是少数人赞同

你的看法是 管你是多数还是少数 总之 之前抢回来的 就得还

那么藏独 又管他是多数 还是少数 抢回来的就得还

这是你的看法 不是我的


又请问 我有用过很重的语气来 讲你吗?

至少对于我看你的回复  你是100% 在针对宗教

上面这段是我的看法 , 我又没有骂你或什么的

还是那句 心中有鬼就认住认住咯
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发表于 14-10-2010 06:43 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 东方朔 于 14-10-2010 06:45 AM 编辑
那么那个时候美国攻打伊拉克 是多数人赞同 还是少数人赞同
真东辉 发表于 13-10-2010 07:18 PM


请问下,你的多数是指谁,少数又是指谁?
如果不是噢萨马先侵犯美国,杀害那些无辜百姓。
美国又如何会攻打伊拉克呢?
做么你看东西都是看片面而已呢?
所谓冤有头,债有主,为何伤及无辜呢?

至少对于我看你的回复  你是100% 在针对宗教
上面这段是我的看法 , 我又没有骂你或什么的

你没有骂人,只是冤枉人。可以这么说嘛?
我讲的也是根据事实来发表而已。
不是随便说的。

那么藏独 又管他是多数 还是少数 抢回来的就得还

但是多数人想要融入中国,你又怎么可以逼他们独立呢?
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发表于 14-10-2010 08:24 AM | 显示全部楼层
这更典型的马来西亚部长心态很像..
都是拿差的国家来显示自己的好..那些好的.就看不到..
melakaboleh 发表于 13-10-2010 07:08 PM



一谈宗教,就扯到去马来西亚政治腐败。。那就无话可说了。
无言啊。。我还是保持沉默好了,大家继续聊得愉快吧。
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发表于 14-10-2010 08:26 AM | 显示全部楼层
我看了很多犹太历史,
都是讲述犹太的发源地在中东那一带,
后来流亡全世界直到以色列的独立。
在 ...
东方朔 发表于 13-10-2010 04:07 PM



所以,犹太人组成以色列国家前,他们的国家名字是什么?你还没答我的问题。
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发表于 14-10-2010 08:34 AM | 显示全部楼层
如果不是噢萨马先侵犯美国,杀害那些无辜百姓。
美国又如何会攻打伊拉克呢?
东方朔 发表于 14-10-2010 06:43 AM


难道你连美国攻打伊拉克后,石油“莫名其妙”的起价原因你也不知晓?

非穆斯林 Christopher Bollyn 写了 911 专访,发现到 911 的背后的阴谋种种。
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book#article_11261
我也知道你不会仔细去阅读的了,不如我转帖给你看看。


THE PLANES OF 9-11


9-11 was an act of false flag terror in which four allegedly "hijacked" airplanes were used as weapons of mass destruction. There are, however, many unanswered questions about the airplanes involved.  There are many observations about these planes which suggest they were not the civilian airliners they are said to have been. The plane that struck the SouthTower, for example, had unusual shapes, bulges, and holes, which have led many analysts to believe it was a Boeing 767-300 refueling tanker that had been disguised as a 767-200 United Airlines passenger jet.


Images of the plane that struck the South Tower

Durable parts from the two jets that struck the twin towers, such as landing gear and engines, landed on the streets of Manhattan. On these engines and landing gear are many numbered time-tracked parts which could prove precisely which aircraft they had been put on and when they had been serviced, but the FBI has refused to present this evidence to make its case. Why wouldn't the FBI present this evidence if it had it?


The jet engine that landed on Murray Street contains specific numbered and time-tracked parts which would identify exactly which aircraft struck the World Trade Center.  Why has the U.S. government withheld this evidence?

The only possible explanation for the FBI's failure to present this evidence is that the evidence does not match the planes they claim hit the buildings or "crashed" in Pennsylvania.  If the planes that were involved in the attacks on the World Trade Center were, in fact, not United Airlines Flight 175 and American Airlines Flight 11, but remotely-controlled tankers painted to look like civilian aircraft, who could have produced such disguised planes and inserted them into the NORAD anti-terrorism exercise that was taking place in the airspace of the East Coast on the morning of 9-11?

ISRAEL AIRCRAFT INDUSTRIES (IAI)

Given the evidence of Israeli prior knowledge, the obvious questions are: Did the Israelis have the means to carry off such a complex operation? And if they had the means, is there a link between their capability and the events of 9-11?  The answer to both questions is yes.

The Israeli military and intelligence agency have long had the capability to convert and disguise large-body aircraft in the United States, and their companies that do this kind of work are connected to ICTS, the Israeli airport security company that is a prime suspect in the "false flag" terrorism.  ICTS is also a key defendant in the 9-11 litigation.

The Israeli military has spawned several aircraft leasing and maintenance companies in the United States since the late 1960s. There is, in fact, a network of Israeli-controlled aviation companies operating in the United States which were all started by Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI), now known as Israel Aerospace Industries.  Israel Aircraft Industries is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Israeli Defense Ministry, which produces and maintains planes and missiles.

One of the Israeli military's aviation companies spawned in the United States is or was an aircraft leasing company named ATASCO, which began operating in the United States in the early 1970s.  I began investigating ATASCO in August 2006.  As a matter of fact, I spoke with Shalom Yoran, the Israeli chairman of this now defunct Israeli company, about six hours before three undercover police arrived at my house and, without cause or provocation, TASERed me and broke my elbow in front of my family on August 15, 2006.

I had come across Shalom Yoran's name while researching Amit and Naftali Yoran, the suspicious young Israelis who oversaw cyber-security for the U.S. government and military computers prior to and after 9-11.

Shalom Yoran has an extremely suspicious and unusual profile for an Israeli immigrant to the United States.  He was in the original Israeli air force of 1948 and is a founder and former head of Israel Aircraft Industries.  Yoran was instrumental in building the IAI into an internationally recognized company and the largest industry in Israel.


Shalom Yoran (born Selim Sznycer, Poland) wearing a fake British uniform in Palestine, 1946.  Yoran became the co-founder and head of Israel Aircraft Industries and Bedek.

Before Yoran emigrated to the United States, which is very unusual for Israelis of his age and with his high-level military background, he had spent the previous ten years as senior vice president of IAI and as president of IAI's parent company, Bedek. Israelis like Yoran don't usually come to America as immigrants - they are sent there on a mission.

Israel Aircraft Industries was established in 1953 as Bedek Aviation Company, five years after the establishment of the State of Israel. Today, Bedek is the senior group of Israel Aerospace Industries and specializes in aircraft operation, conversion, maintenance, and overhaul.  In 1975, when Yoran "left" Bedek and IAI at the unusually young retirement age of fifty, the corporation had 22,000 employees, of which 4,000 worked in the Bedek Division. In reality, Yoran didn't leave Bedek and IAI at all; he was sent by the Israeli military to the United States to manage one of their most important operations - ATASCO.

In his on-line biographies, Yoran says he was appointed to this position: "When he retired at the age of fifty [ca. 1975], he was appointed the President of Atasco, an American Flight company for cargo shipment and maintenance."

His 2003 biography on the website of Tel Aviv University (TAU) has a similar tale: "At the age of fifty, Shalom Yoran retired from the Israel Aircraft Industries. In 1978 he moved to the U.S. where he became chairman of ATASCO USA - a private aircraft trading and service company. ATASCO bought and leased airplanes to major airlines around the world. The company also had an aircraft maintenance and modification plant in Smyrna, Tennessee.

"Shalom Yoran continues to be chairman of ATASCO USA," the 2003 TAU entry noted.  How could an Israeli be appointed to be president or chairman of an "American" company, unless that company were actually an Israeli company disguised as an American company?  And why would an Israeli company doing business in the United States want to disguise the fact that it is Israeli-owned in the first place?

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发表于 14-10-2010 08:36 AM | 显示全部楼层

Benjamin Netanyahu (right) and Ehud Olmert are Israeli politicians from the extreme right-wing Likud party, which grew out of the Zionist terror organization, the Irgun.  Olmert, then mayor of Jerusalem, made a secret visit to New York City the day before the terror attacks.  Asked what the attacks meant for U.S.-Israeli relations, Netanyahu said, "It's very good."
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发表于 14-10-2010 08:43 AM | 显示全部楼层

Michael D. Evans is a Zionist Jew who portrays himself as a Christian.  Here Evans meets with Menachem Begin, the former terrorist head of the Irgun who ordered the bombing of the King David Hotel.  Evans was told by Isser Harel of the Israeli plan to bomb the World Trade Center in 1980, about the time of this photo.


这些稿子是由业余记者所采访得来的资料。他本身已对于媒体受控制与禁言而感到失望。所以一切收入都是由网友捐款维持至今。
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发表于 14-10-2010 12:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
所以,犹太人组成以色列国家前,他们的国家名字是什么?你还没答我的问题。
darkcat 发表于 14-10-2010 08:26 AM



不好意思,我对历史没什么兴趣。
不过,我看些资料提及旧约圣经里有写。
可兰经没有提起吗?
或许你应该去看看,
不然到时我提到资料,你又不相信。
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发表于 14-10-2010 01:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
请问下,你的多数是指谁,少数又是指谁?
如果不是噢萨马先侵犯美国,杀害那些无辜百姓。
美国又如何 ...
东方朔 发表于 14-10-2010 06:43 AM


还好看片面的人 不只是我

难道美国攻打人家的时候多数人反对 还去打 也是应该
怨有头债有主
osama是错 但是美国哪 也不见得有多好

也是那句 用回你的观点 管他多人要独立还是少人要独立
总之抢回来得 就得还



我是不是 冤枉你这个嘛 很难讲  就你喜欢咯....你认为有就有咯
你认为你没有因为那么一点点 对伊斯兰特定的教徒的偏见 而导致你有上面的想法就继续咯
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发表于 14-10-2010 01:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
难道你连美国攻打伊拉克后,石油“莫名其妙”的起价原因你也不知晓?

非穆斯林 Christopher Bollyn  ...
darkcat 发表于 14-10-2010 08:34 AM



那你认为“莫名其妙的起价原因"是什么呢?
还有你那篇文章到底要说些什么呢?
恕我愚昧,看不到到底重点在哪里。
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发表于 14-10-2010 01:15 PM | 显示全部楼层
还好看片面的人 不只是我
难道美国攻打人家的时候多数人反对 还去打 也是应该
怨有头债有主
osama ...
真东辉 发表于 14-10-2010 01:01 PM


还是那句到底“你的多数是指谁,少数又是指谁?”

也是那句 用回你的观点 管他多人要独立还是少人要独立
总之抢回来得 就得还

那你是支持以色列独立对吗?
还?也要看对方要不要接受啊?

我是不是 冤枉你这个嘛 很难讲  就你喜欢咯....你认为有就有咯
你认为你没有因为那么一点点 对伊斯兰特定的教徒的偏见 而导致你有上面的想法就继续咯

我只是不喜欢极端的行为而已,不表示对回教有偏见。

今年8月9日時代周刊的封面,登了一張令人觸目驚心的照片。那是一個沒有鼻子的年輕阿富汗女孩,名字叫「埃夏」。她大約是十八、九歲,長得像一般的阿富汗婦女,濃眉大眼,輪廓深刻,神情中帶著幾分倔強。照片上的她,留著長長的黑髮,又披著紫色的頭巾,所以看不見她的耳朵。實際上,埃夏連兩個耳朵也沒有了。

埃夏可不是生來就沒有鼻子和耳朵的,她的照片之所以登上了時代周刊的封面,是因為她的鼻子和耳朵都被她的丈夫給割掉了。

http://www.worldjournal.com/view/full_news/9445680/article-%E2%98%85%E5%B0%88%E9%A1%8C%E5%A0%B1%E5%B0%8E%E2%98%85%E9%98%BF%E5%AF%8C%E6%B1%97%E5%89%B2%E9%BC%BB%E5%A5%B3%E5%AD%A9%E9%87%8D%E7%94%9F-%E7%BE%8E%E5%A4%A7%E5%85%B5%E6%B6%88%E9%80%9D?instance=wjweekly

看完以上的新闻,你有什么感想?
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发表于 14-10-2010 04:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
有人极端 但是 也有人温和
报道出来的 都是极端 难道真的没有温和吗?
你没有觉得很奇怪的吗? 怎么媒体总是把矛头指向伊斯兰和穆斯林
难道别的地方没有新闻吗?
去不可思议那? 你会看到很多变态杀人等等的新闻 但是为什么没有报道出来呢?
媒体的老板也是人  也有可能是极端分子 (这里讲的是对伊斯兰的极端)
所以媒体是不可以尽信的


我个人不支持打战  所以独不独立 就要看
如果像香港回归 没有战争发生到没关系
如果是因为之前是他们的国家 很多年前被人抢去的
只能怪你以前无能 现在来说要拿回 然后战争又要发生
无辜丧生的人更加的多
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