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【红魔转会讨论区VII】换厨师重要,还是买材料重要?

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 楼主| 发表于 16-7-2015 10:33 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 小紅魔 于 16-7-2015 10:35 PM 编辑

被猜中,VV果然出事了。

不过说句公道话,LVG的铁腕好像有点过火了。近乎不尽人情,就算亲信也不能幸免。

VV的case好像有点夸张,毕竟他也是有代表预备队出战。而且不是每个人愿意(成名球员)长期在预备队比赛也是人之常情嘛。

动不动就踢人走只会搞得人心惶惶
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 楼主| 发表于 16-7-2015 10:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
尤其是在DDG的情况不明朗,市场又难找高水平门将的情形下,这样对待VV实在不明智。
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 楼主| 发表于 16-7-2015 10:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
Maxi 发表于 16-7-2015 04:03 PM
Van Gaal的执教生涯不懂得罪了多少球员

这赛季后更小猪反目也不出奇

开了眼界。

可怜的RVP在曼联成为首几个被扫出家门的球星。

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 楼主| 发表于 16-7-2015 10:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
筷子 发表于 16-7-2015 09:50 PM
利物浦第8签。。。

又是Liverpool


总觉得他不值这个价钱。2500-2600万还行。

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发表于 16-7-2015 11:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
LVG 是脑子进水吗  VV 上赛季也有代表预备队比赛啊
人家好歹也是个西甲最佳门将之一   酱来吊臭   
DDG 现在可以吊高来卖了  市场上好门将也不多  
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发表于 16-7-2015 11:31 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 CRon7 于 17-7-2015 12:22 AM 编辑
RingRingRing 发表于 16-7-2015 11:04 PM
LVG 是脑子进水吗  VV 上赛季也有代表预备队比赛啊
人家好歹也是个西甲最佳门将之一   酱来吊臭   
DD ...

http://www.espnfc.com/club/manch ... nited-exit-argument

Louis van Gaal vs. Victor Valdes provides only one winner at Man Utd
Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal plans to sell Victor Valdes after the Spanish goalkeeper refused to play for the reserves last season.
For every player keen to extol Louis van Gaal's virtues as a motivator and tactical innovator, there's always someone else who has a grievance to air.

This isn't an extensive list -- this story would just be full of names and nothing else if it were -- but Rivaldo, Johan Cruyff, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Mark van Bommel, Ronald Koeman and Hristo Stoichkov are just some of the illustrious former and current players to have clashed with the Dutchman.

Most recently, as revealed by ESPN FC's Andy Mitten, Van Gaal gave Robin van Persie a public dressing down and told him train on his own in front of other players, which infuriated the striker and ultimately saw him move on to Fenerbahce. Now, making a re-entry on LVG's list of dissenters is Victor Valdes, the soon-to-be ex-Manchester United No. 2 goalkeeper after he was publicly admonished by his boss and chose to hit back on Twitter.

Valdes is charged with refusing to play any more matches for United's reserves last season, having already featured in three after his move to Manchester in January. If that is the case, it's an unforgivable dereliction of duty from someone who was handed a chance when he really needed one. United owe Valdes nothing.

Being asked to play with the reserves is not a slight on Valdes' character or ability. No matter how highly he regards himself, surely he can't think he's better than David De Gea or worthy of usurping him. Especially not last season, when United needed a sure thing in goal as they dawdled over the line into fourth place.

Valdes was returning from a career-threatening injury on the wrong side of 30 with clubs understandably wary that he may have had his day. He wasn't inundated with offers; United came through for Valdes, as did Van Gaal, and to complain about his treatment seems rather ungrateful, while his conduct on Twitter was stupid.

Van Gaal did not say Valdes refused to play in any reserve games for the club; he implied that Valdes refused to play in any more. Returning to the point about doing as you're told while a rookie, Valdes now has a right to query his manager's actions, but ultimately, he should be doing what his boss has asked in this situation. It's for his own good.

Arguably Barcelona's greatest goalkeeper of all time, Valdes was down on his luck in 2014, having seen a potential move to Monaco scuppered by an anterior cruciate ligament injury in what turned out to be his final appearance for the La Liga giants. United offered him the chance to train in world-class facilities to get him back into football, and after a few months, Van Gaal offered Valdes an 18-month contract with the option of an additional year.

This was Van Gaal's second show of faith in the Spaniard, the first being when he opted for Valdes instead of Pepe Reina when in charge of Barcelona in 2002. Both men coveted the starting spot at the Camp Nou and Valdes won the race, making his rival depart for Villarreal.

After Valdes made nine first-team appearances that year, Van Gaal later dropped his new No. 1 back into the reserves after opting for Roberto Bonano and Robert Enke for a match against Villarreal, and a second-division clash at Reus beckoned. However, Valdes missed a Friday training session ahead of the Reus match the next day and explained to Van Gaal that he needed the weekend off to think about his future.

"He has not turned up for training, and I see that as a refusal to work," the Dutch coach explained at the time. "The club now has to solve the problem."

Valdes apologised, and Barca director Javier Perez Farguell revealed the goalkeeper had been fined the maximum amount possible.

"He [Valdes] explained the reason for his actions and has pledged that his attitude will improve in the future," he said then. "He will return to training on Tuesday and then be back with the first-team squad on Thursday. But if he is told to play for the B team, then he will.

"He says that he did not understand the decision by Van Gaal, but it has all been sorted out now, although the club will impose the maximum fine for cases such as this. He has promised to return to the way he was and will rebuild the trust the coach has shown in him in the past."

As a rookie trying to make your way in any career, let alone football, you do as you're told by your superiors until you're in a position of power to call the shots. Valdes wasn't, and his behaviour was deplorable.

He lost the battle but won the war, though, as he regained indispensable status at Barcelona. Van Gaal, meanwhile, lost his job with the side three points above the relegation zone and an unforgivable 20 points off Real Madrid.

Fast-forward to 2014, and it appeared that relations between the pair had been repaired when Valdes spoke of a "dream" return to working ways with Van Gaal.

For a man who has won six La Liga titles, the Champions League three times and World Cup and European Championship trophies, it isn't hard to imagine that Valdes has an ego. If anyone is highly successful, it's only fair to assume he has much self-confidence. But Valdes' conduct on Twitter suggests he did not learn his lesson the first time around.


David De Gea's uncertain future and Victor Valdes' impending exit leave United in a state of flux in goal.
Nobody can be certain whether Valdes would have been given the chance to become United's No. 1. De Gea's transfer saga has become achingly tedious, but imagine if he did leave for Real Madrid and Valdes kept his mouth shut.

If, then, Van Gaal again refused to give this goalkeeping great a game, Valdes would be within his rights to speak up. Having been given the chance to resurrect his career, complaining about being asked to play in a reserve side that Robin van Persie and Ander Herrera also featured in is biting the hand that attempted to feed him.

If you're on your way back from injury, you play in the reserves until you're ready. It's not an alien concept, and it's something a lot of clubs do. If a better goalkeeper is ahead of you in the first team, you wait your chance. If you're tired of waiting, you leave. But there's a dignified way of doing so, and while Valdes may disagree with his treatment, he comes out of this messy episode looking the worse.

While Van Gaal criticising his player in public will polarise opinion -- and you can appreciate the view that he went too far and could have kept this in-house -- you don't cross the boss.

Van Gaal, a Champions League winner and multiple title winner, is an abrasive, ruthless man who clashes with his players and removes them when he feels they're expendable. Remind you of anyone?


十多场的u21比赛只打了三场,一个大伤过的门将,又抢不过de gea的首发位置,不打reserve怎样找回状态?还是应该在争四的重要时刻拿下de gea给他练级?或者如果de gea受伤了,可以expect他马上in form立刻顶上?btw,我支持把不能接受教练安排的人扫出门没问题,不过不应该把问题公开化,应该私底下处理就好,至少给他留点情面。

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大赚小赔 + 5 vv敬不敬业一回事,有没必要公开说一回事。

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发表于 16-7-2015 11:32 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
LVG這樣做肯定有後路,真的當他傻的meh
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发表于 17-7-2015 12:25 AM | 显示全部楼层
Come on lah 球会内部的东西你们真的以为你们会比 LVG 清楚?像他这样心思慎密做事scientific的人会有这样的处事方法自然有他的算计及原因。

DDG 凭什么吊高来卖?现在主动权掌握在木神与LVG手中,要他坐就坐,要他站就站。皇马已经把Casillas送走,急的是他们而不是曼联。万一皇马真的买了个门将,那DDG才真的叫急。所以他目前最要紧是听听话话,不要跟我们玩花样,DLLM。
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发表于 17-7-2015 01:29 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Lifeisgood 于 17-7-2015 01:31 AM 编辑

Memphis Depay你们买到太划了

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发表于 17-7-2015 06:44 AM | 显示全部楼层
筷子 发表于 16-7-2015 09:50 PM
利物浦第8签。。。

也只有买他了吧,不然以为reus真的会过去咩
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发表于 17-7-2015 06:58 AM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
Lifeisgood 发表于 17-7-2015 01:29 AM
Memphis Depay你们买到太划了

算敏捷,反应也快,只是失误还很多,
可以再提升。
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发表于 17-7-2015 06:59 AM | 显示全部楼层
小紅魔 发表于 16-7-2015 10:33 PM
被猜中,VV果然出事了。

不过说句公道话,LVG的铁腕好像有点过火了。近乎不尽人情,就算亲信也不能幸免 ...

这件事发生在saf身上,vv的下场也是离开,主帅不需要一个不听话的球员,stam, beckham,范泥就是例子,不是退休估计鲁尼也给他踢走了。。。
+2在记者会说这些事情,我觉得是想杀一警百,给球员知道敢违抗指令就是这个下场,又不见得+2说vps离开的原因
况且在我看来这件事也没有想象的那么严重,毕竟vv确实真的有拒绝过参加0队的比赛,vv现在这种行为叫最后的反击,反正他是铁定要离开的,对曼联也没什么爱,趁离开前故意想破坏更衣室的安宁罢了,不过有用吗? +2一早就把他孤立了不带他去美国。
队里的球员不会有人敢站在vv哪里的,站他那里的人下场怎样会怎样大家都心知肚明,而且来曼联还不到1年根本就没影响力,+2拿他开刀应该也有算过事情最坏的结果吧。。。
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发表于 17-7-2015 08:04 AM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
Evans终于去everton了
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发表于 17-7-2015 09:07 AM | 显示全部楼层
Maxi 发表于 17-7-2015 08:04 AM
Evans终于去everton了

是哦,官宣了?
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发表于 17-7-2015 09:11 AM | 显示全部楼层
lvg 也快离开了。。。。。才签3个赛季,都第二赛季了。

他也说过合约完了就退休咯。
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发表于 17-7-2015 09:40 AM | 显示全部楼层
@大赚小赔
所以我说+2安排他去打u21是没有错的,只是有些人觉得大牌就不能去打reserve很好笑咯,就好像之前falcao状态不好,被下放去打reserve,有人认为是故意要羞辱他的。问题是有没有必要把矛盾公开罢了。或许+2这样做是有他的用意的,好像他和van persie的矛盾也没有公开讲,也许是想借这次机会警告大牌:

"When you are not willing to follow those principles, there is only one way and that is out.

不过真正实情是如何只有内部的人才知道。

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发表于 17-7-2015 10:15 AM | 显示全部楼层
CRon7 发表于 17-7-2015 09:40 AM
@大赚小赔
所以我说+2安排他去打u21是没有错的,只是有些人觉得大牌就不能去打reserve很好笑咯,就好像之 ...

他之前大伤,又很久没打比赛,去reserve或者如果有友谊赛让他去找状态很正常。。。只有傻仔才会认为很久没打比赛还能维持状态。

至于公开批评vv,可能是要警戒其他球员吧,但是在更衣室说这些话就不行吗?

坦白说,媒体报的新闻,真真假假,很多事也只有当事人自己知道。lvg是主教练,他要怎么搞是他的事,最终评价他的还是场上的成绩。

作为球迷,这些新闻我只是当八卦看。我比较在意还是比赛的场面,上个赛季有些比赛看了真的会吐血。lvg怎么搞还是他的权利,我只希望最终能踢出漂亮足球。

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发表于 17-7-2015 10:19 AM | 显示全部楼层
van gaal快刀斬亂麻這招絕。
也好,還有時間讓你們找門將。
但多少會影響sqain球員對他印象。
他們兩不是有交情嗎?
讓人搞不懂。
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发表于 17-7-2015 11:01 AM | 显示全部楼层
Aaran 发表于 17-7-2015 12:25 AM
Come on lah 球会内部的东西你们真的以为你们会比 LVG 清楚?像他这样心思慎密做事scientific的人会有这样 ...

皇马还真买了门将,casillas少个s

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发表于 17-7-2015 11:15 AM | 显示全部楼层
大赚小赔 发表于 17-7-2015 10:15 AM
他之前大伤,又很久没打比赛,去reserve或者如果有友谊赛让他去找状态很正常。。。只有傻仔才会认为很久 ...

所以我并不质疑+2做的每个决定,包括放弃van persie,falcao,可能还有di maria,都是有经过考量的,不是没有目的性的,也不会因为是干儿子就会手下留情。我质疑的只是他的处理球星走人的方式,有没有必要搞到不欢而散。

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