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疯狗症,让我看到林冠英盲目粉丝团的悲哀

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发表于 30-9-2015 06:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
如果有人把感染疯狗症的狗狗藏起来,救了狗命功德无量,但是那只染病的疯狗后来咬了人不知道救狗的功德大害是害人的报应大?
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发表于 30-9-2015 06:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 干云 于 30-9-2015 07:00 PM 编辑
老天师 发表于 30-9-2015 06:36 PM
如果有人把感染疯狗症的狗狗藏起来,救了狗命功德无量,但是那只染病的疯狗后来咬了人不知道救狗的功德大害 ...

狂犬病的传染率是远低于其他传染病。因为只有病发的动物,才会传染病毒。
没有病发的狗不会传染。

而病发的狗,会在十日内死去(大部分会在5日内死去,十日是以策安全)。
十日观察法,已经受到世界卫生组织的承认。
所以传染率不高。
而被咬的人,也可以打预防针,100%防护。

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发表于 30-9-2015 06:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
dapkl 发表于 28-9-2015 05:19 PM
林冠英不會解決流浪狗的問題的話,可以向他學,台北市長柯文哲-打造友善動物城市

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台湾人连文字都要搞歧视抹黑了,你要他们把狗当狗看或当人看,岂不是强人所难?

这件事10个柯P都搞不定,有什么值得向他学习的?要解决台湾人不歧视流浪狗的问题,关键在于美国,不在柯P。
只要美国不知道哪一天筋对上了,又来搞什么 “人狗平权法”,然后 Facebook 进一步跟进以狗像换人像,加上彩虹什么的。美国主公做了,台湾人自然会跟进。每个人都会抢着把自己的人像换成彩虹狗像。那时不是大事可成了吗?

本地华人又再一次看不清楚问题的重点,只会盲目的活在自己的想象之中。
最后,送上寓言一则。

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市井之徒:  请问你们这班爱狗人士,为何对捕杀野狗一事反应如此激烈?
爱狗人士: (激动)当然啦!你不觉得这是不人道、野蛮及非常残忍的事情吗?
市井之徒:  可以现在已经是疫区了,不是应该尽快捕杀野狗防止疯狗症进一步扩散吗?
爱狗人士: (再激动)疯狗症发生你就要杀狗,那艾滋病、沙士你不是要杀人吗?
市井之徒: (惊吓)你怎么可以把狗和人相提并论呢?
爱狗人士: (表情开始狰狞)为什么不可以?人类凭什么认为自己比其他的动物更高级?可以随意主宰其他动物?
市井之徒:  好。。我说服我自己认同你们。意思就是众生皆平等,人和狗也是同等的生物。对吗?
爱狗人士: (兴奋)没错!就是这样!很高兴你能认同我们!

市井之徒:  好。。那我再问,你们不是倡议阉割野狗,杜绝他们继续繁殖来控制他们的数量?
爱狗人士: (兴奋)是啊!根据国际XXX机构的建议,阉割野狗确实是控制野狗数量最有效的做法!
市井之徒: (一脸狐疑)这样。。不是太过残忍、太过不人道了吗?
爱狗人士: (不解的表情)怎么说?
市井之徒:  你们没经过野狗的同意,就擅自把他们阉割,这样做不是让他们比死更难受吗?
爱狗人士: (更加不解的表情)为什么会这么说呢?阉割有什么问题?根据国际XXX机构的建议,阉割野狗就是控制野狗数量最有效的做法!!
市井之徒:  任何男人如果被人去势阉割了,你说他们还有生存下去的意义吗?那不是比死更痛苦?你们怎么可以这么霸道野蛮,凭什么去阉割人家?
爱狗人士: (大怒)人和狗怎么能够相提并论!!!!

市井之徒吓了一跳,也不再答话。心想: “难怪犹太人会说,与智者在地狱,胜过与愚者在天堂”。微笑而去。

原文: http://cforum.cari.com.my/forum. ... amp;fromuid=2159496

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发表于 30-9-2015 06:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
事实证明,那些所谓的爱野狗人士只不过是在以讹传讹,制造仇恨。他们偏执与痴狂的程度与某教某族的种族主义不相上下。

如果这些所谓爱野狗的华裔子弟能够拿出对林神的十足攻击力去面对红衫军烧鱼佬,本地华社面对的危机根本都不用黄大使出马就可以解决了。
Turning rabid over rabies – Adrian Wong

Penang Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng is now Malaysia’s most hated man, at least as far as dog lovers are concerned. Since he approved the culling of stray dogs in response to a rabies outbreak in Penang, outraged dog lovers have been ranting non-stop about “innocent dogs” or “furkids” being killed because of human folly.

Their outrage, however, is based on a mixture of truth and falsehoods. Let’s take a look at some of these claims and see which are true and which are false. We will also address some questions and answers on rabies and the culling of dogs.

Culling dogs is the best way to control rabies

Many dog lovers claim that Lim said culling stray dogs is the best way to control rabies. They point at the World Health Organization (WHO) recommendation of vaccinations as the best way to eradicate rabies, and claim that he’s not following expert advice. Well, there are two problems with these claims.

First of all, Lim never actually said that a cull is the best way to eradicate rabies. He only said, “It’s the best way to tackle the problem”, on September 18. That vague comment might have precipitated the outrage, as Malaysians are generally wont to think beyond soundbites.

As Lim himself pointed out, he made the decision based on the recommendation of veterinary and health authorities. In fact, Malaysian Veterinary Services Department Enforcement Division director Datuk Mohamed Radzuan Malek said:

"If the wild dogs are not controlled and culled, the rabies epidemic will not be truly controlled and can spread. More importantly, if it spreads to a dog with an owner, the risks of infection is very high."

This brings us to the second point. No one actually disputes that vaccinating dogs is the gold standard in the long-term eradication of rabies, as per WHO recommendations. If we read the official statements carefully, they were all referring to the current outbreak, specifically in the context of the lack of the rabies vaccine.

The constant pleas for veterinary services to vaccinate the stray dogs instead of killing them fly in the face of reality. No chief minister can agree to vaccinate the stray dogs instead of killing them when there are no vaccines to speak of.

The Malaysian Veterinary Service Department ran out of vaccines on September 21. They have no rabies vaccine to vaccinate pet dogs, much less the far more numerous stray dogs.

NGOs offered to vaccinate the dogs but were snubbed

The Worldwide Veterinary Services (WVS) said that they would supply 50,000 doses of the rabies vaccine and, if necessary, the manpower to conduct mass vaccination of stray and pet dogs in Penang. Local NGOs and dog lovers have pounced on this as reason enough to stop the cull of stray dogs.

The only problem is: the vaccines and the WVS vaccination team will only arrive by the end of the year. This was what the “Stop The Killing, Start Vaccinating” coalition said on September 22:

"Due to the required paperwork and applications that needed to be done to bring in the vaccines and mobilise manpower, the vaccines and the team may only arrive in Penang at the end of the year."

Lim Guan Eng refused to talk to the NGOs

That is not true. They conveniently ignored the fact that Lim himself met local NGOs, Save Our Strays (SOS) and 4Paws on September 20.

Two days later, on September 22, Penang state representatives had a tele-conference with Dr Luke Gamble, CEO of the Worldwide Veterinary Services (WVS) and the “Stop The Killing, Start Vaccinating” coalition of NGOs.

NGOs are being banned from vaccinating strays

This is one of the most egregious claims. When critics of the cull are challenged on why local NGOs are wasting their time criticising the chief minister instead of vaccinating stray dogs, the common retort is that those NGOs were not given permission or approval to do so.

This is a hilarious claim because there is no law that prevents anyone from vaccinating stray dogs. Anyone, whether a private individual or an NGO member, can go out right now, catch a stray dog and vaccinate it. Claiming otherwise is not only dishonest but shows a desire to cast blame, rather than look for a solution.

Only two people were diagnosed with rabies

The fact of the matter is, 30 people were “diagnosed” with rabies in the tri-state area of Penang, Kedah and Perlis as of September 21, 2015. Three were in Penang:

* a 44-year-old man in Pokok Sena, Seberang Prai on September 8;

* an 11-year-old boy in Taman Nelayan, Balik Pulau on September 14;

* a 65-year-old man in Balik Pulau on September 18.

Perlis has the most cases – 22 victims since August 19, while Kedah recorded 5 cases since September 13.

But didn’t the health minister say no one was infected with rabies?

Health Minister Datuk Seri Dr S. Subramaniam clouded the issue further when he said on September 23 that there were “no confirmed cases of rabies in humans so far“.

Technically, that soundbite is correct because all of the victims were treated before they became symptomatic, but it is not accurate.

There is no antemortem test for rabies. The only definitive test involves euthanising the infected animal and removing its brain to inspect for the presence of Negri bodies, or to perform the fluorescent antibody test (FAT).

Because it would be criminal (heh!) to kill a human being to test his/her brains for rabies, there is no way to know for sure if any human victims were infected with rabies.

The diagnosis of human victims is usually based on any symptoms they may exhibit, or the inspection of the dogs that bit them. If the dog that bit a victim is found to have rabies, then it is assumed that the victim is infected with rabies. The victim would be prophylactically treated with the rabies vaccine.

Why not vaccinate humans instead?

Some critics of the cull are suggesting that since it’s so difficult to catch and vaccinate stray dogs, it would be easier to vaccinate the human population instead. The problem is two-fold :

1. Pre-exposure rabies vaccination involves 3 separate injections over 21-28 days.

2. Each injection of the human rabies vaccine costs at least RM500 (US$116). That means the cost for a full vaccination is at least RM1,500 (US$350).

Vaccinating 1.65 million Penangites would not only cost RM2.5 billion (US$575 million), it would take a really long time and many healthcare workers to accomplish. That’s why the pre-exposure vaccine is usually given only to those who work with wild animals.

Why not catch and quarantine?

Some critics of the cull also suggested catching and quarantining the stray dogs, instead of killing them. A quarantine is a good idea if a certain animal is suspected of being infected with rabies. It allows the Veterinary Services Department to avoid killing the animal by monitoring it for symptoms instead. However, this is not possible for large numbers of stray dogs.

Every dog that is quarantined must have its own cage, and they must all be separated from each other because an infected dog can spread rabies through its saliva and open wounds. There is absolutely no question of simply corralling them in a fenced-off area.

Each dog will also need to be monitored for symptoms of rabies for no less than 10 days. Even when a dog does not show any symptoms after 10 days, it cannot be released into the wild until the outbreak is over, or it is vaccinated. Letting it loose will simply put it at risk of being infected in the wild.

Culling spreads rabies

This is another egregious claim by critics of the cull. Some claim that WHO said that culling spreads rabies – this is not true. The article oft-quoted by them as “evidence” only states that vaccinations are more effective than culling in eradicating rabies.

Others claim that culling spreads rabies because attempts to catch stray dogs will cause them to run away, thereby spreading rabies to other areas. The problem with this opinion is that vaccinating stray dogs will also involve catching them first.

They are shooting the dogs!

This is yet another false claim. The Malaysian Veterinary Services Department does not use guns to kill stray dogs. They may use tranquilliser darts to knock out stray dogs, to minimise risk to their employees. The dogs are then put to sleep after they are completely tranquillised.

They are beheading the dogs

Yes, they are beheading some of the stray dogs they killed. Not because they are sadists, but because the only way to diagnose rabies is to test the brain tissue. The brain tissue samples are sent to the Veterinary Research Institute in Ipoh for diagnosis.

How can you kill so many dogs???

For some reason, critics of the cull actually believe that the Penang state government is out to kill all 40,000 stray dogs estimated to be roaming the streets of Penang. That is actually an impossible task, just like it is impossible to eradicate rats or crows.

In fact, only 342 stray dogs were culled in Penang from September 16 to 21 – an average of 57 dogs per day. At this rate, they will need two years to kill 40,000 stray dogs. The fact of the matter is the Veterinary Services Department cannot possibly cull more than a small percentage of the stray dog population.

There is logic behind the 'madness'

A cull isn’t always the mindless killing of stray dogs. The cull, if properly executed, would only occur in areas where cases of rabies have been reported. This is akin to fogging an area with reported cases of dengue fever.

The idea is to try and kill dogs that have been infected with rabies. Infected dogs may not be symptomatic, and there is no antemortem test for rabies. Hence, if a case of rabies has been reported in a particular area, all strays in that area must be caught and culled.

The cull isn’t happening only in Penang

For some reason, dog lovers and animal rights activists are focusing their ire on Penang and its chief minister. Virtually none of them have questioned the same cull happening in Perlis and Kedah.

The Veterinary Services Department had been culling dogs in Perlis and Kedah before the directive for the culling of stray dogs in Penang was issued. In fact, the majority of dogs that have been culled so far are from Perlis and Kedah.

One can only speculate why stray dogs in Penang are more special and more deserving of protection against the cull than stray dogs in Perlis and Kedah.

Show us the vaccine

For all of the debates and arguments on social media, both sides actually agree that vaccinations is the gold standard. The problem is the lack of rabies vaccine – a problem that cannot be immediately addressed.

The cull is the result of this logistical problem. There is no use ranting about vaccination being far superior to a cull if there is no vaccine to use. – September 29, 2015.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/sideviews/article/turning-rabid-over-rabies-adrian-wong1

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发表于 30-9-2015 06:48 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
干云 发表于 30-9-2015 06:35 PM
林屠夫为什么被人骂?他已经开始受到报应。
维护林屠夫的人为什么被人骂?
他们已经开始受到报应。

我等着,我等着看爱狗人士怎么泼妇骂街,来吧!
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发表于 30-9-2015 06:58 PM | 显示全部楼层
TMNUTsucks 发表于 30-9-2015 06:48 PM
我等着,我等着看爱狗人士怎么泼妇骂街,来吧!

林屠夫不理科学进展,促销愚民教育,愚化人民,制造恐慌,破坏槟城和谐。

像真正的问题,如骨痛热症死了那么多人,就藏起来,然后让林粉来为他漂泊推卸责任。

林屠夫和林粉愚昧的行为已为人们所不齿,认清他们的真面目。

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发表于 30-9-2015 07:16 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
疯狗症越来越厉害了,疯狗确实有必要人道毁灭!
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发表于 30-9-2015 07:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
林屠夫被痛骂:

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发表于 30-9-2015 07:31 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
干云 发表于 30-9-2015 06:58 PM
林屠夫不理科学进展,促销愚民教育,愚化人民,制造恐慌,破坏槟城和谐。

像真正的问题,如骨痛热症死 ...

你要说的就这些吗?
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发表于 30-9-2015 07:34 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 TMNUTsucks 于 30-9-2015 07:36 PM 编辑
干云 发表于 30-9-2015 07:21 PM
林屠夫被痛骂:


就算没有杀狗令,也不应该让狗跑出去。他让狗跑出去,诺我们没骂他,他要谢谢我们了,还好意思骂别人?
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发表于 30-9-2015 07:38 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 干云 于 30-9-2015 07:47 PM 编辑
TMNUTsucks 发表于 30-9-2015 07:31 PM
你要说的就这些吗?

林屠夫和林粉会因为盲目愚昧无知的行为,让大家了解根本不应该支持他们。

槟城应该换下撤换一个脑袋朽坏的首长。
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发表于 30-9-2015 07:42 PM | 显示全部楼层
TMNUTsucks 发表于 30-9-2015 07:34 PM
就算没有杀狗令,也不应该让狗跑出去。他让狗跑出去,诺我们没骂他,他要谢谢我们了,还好意思骂别人?

杀狗成为失去理智,这些人应该被人民抓起来教训。
以后一律不买狗牌!
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本帖最后由 TMNUTsucks 于 30-9-2015 07:53 PM 编辑
干云 发表于 30-9-2015 07:42 PM
杀狗成为失去理智,这些人应该被人民抓起来教训。
以后一律不买狗牌!


你和那不负责任的狗主才应该被教训。养狗本来就不应该让狗有机会私自出去。狗为何有机会攻击别人?雪州晨运伯为何会死?为何会有狗被车撞死事件?就是因为你们这些狗主不负责任,让狗随意外出,才导致事情发生,害死别人,也害死自己的狗。

世界上所有因狗而死的受害者家属应该把你们绑起来活活打死。
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发表于 30-9-2015 07:56 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
干云 发表于 30-9-2015 07:38 PM
林屠夫和林粉会因为盲目愚昧无知的行为,让大家了解根本不应该支持他们。

槟城应该换下撤换一个脑袋朽 ...

无论是国阵政府或民联政府,都应该制定法律,诺有狗攻击人,狗主需要一命陪一命。
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发表于 30-9-2015 08:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
TMNUTsucks 发表于 30-9-2015 07:56 PM
无论是国阵政府或民联政府,都应该制定法律,诺有狗攻击人,狗主需要一命陪一命。

问题是该狗只根本没攻击,这些狂徒杀狗失去理性,和林粉是同样的情况。
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发表于 30-9-2015 08:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
TMNUTsucks 发表于 30-9-2015 07:48 PM
你和那不负责任的狗主才应该被教训。养狗本来就不应该让狗有机会私自出去。狗为何有机会攻击别人?雪州 ...

法律并没有限制养狗,狗就不能外出。
狂妄自大的林屠夫和林粉以为自己是神,将法律操纵在自己手中!
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发表于 30-9-2015 08:28 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
干云 发表于 30-9-2015 08:24 PM
问题是该狗只根本没攻击,这些狂徒杀狗失去理性,和林粉是同样的情况。

有没有攻击都好,会不会攻击都好,狗主都不可以让狗溜出去。让狗溜出去就是自己错。
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发表于 30-9-2015 08:30 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
干云 发表于 30-9-2015 08:27 PM
法律并没有限制养狗,狗就不能外出。
狂妄自大的林屠夫和林粉以为自己是神,将法律操纵在自己手中!

法律有没有限制都好,狗主都不可以让狗私自溜出去,否则就是不负责任。
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TMNUTsucks 发表于 30-9-2015 08:28 PM
有没有攻击都好,会不会攻击都好,狗主都不可以让狗溜出去。让狗溜出去就是自己错。

又一个错误。
根本没有这样的法律。
林粉为了保护林屠夫,失去了理智。
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发表于 30-9-2015 08:32 PM | 显示全部楼层
TMNUTsucks 发表于 30-9-2015 08:30 PM
法律有没有限制都好,狗主都不可以让狗私自溜出去,否则就是不负责任。

这些人将法律操纵在自己的手中,祸害巨烈。
林屠夫不下台,这些人未来会更加狂妄!
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