养燕生意2（swiftlet farming）

gyong

回复 1414# 胜多多1
如果给你会
投资在这样的地点？

超级幸运星

那有这样的事，如果这样，那不是不公平？认识公会的主席，叫他帮人写文件是2009年进会员的，不就 ...
vklily 发表于 13-7-2010 02:09 PM

公会的人是酱紫对我说的，他说报纸前几天有提及。。。By The Way...我就是像你说讲的。。叫他帮我做成2009年注册。。haha

chiawei07

在外面听到很多种不同的燕声，要如何分辨那里一种声音是好的？还有要如何分辨内声和外声？还有其他特别的声音吗？谢谢

胜多多1

回复 1415# gyong


   之前的贴有讲到。你往回看一看就知道。在第56页而已！

kenntan8830

今天再次收到县议会的信，限我在七天内关掉声音。:@ 你们说我有可能关掉声音吗。。。。白痴。等着瞧吧！！！！！！！！！！！

chank

if you don't turn off the sound first,

they will come to your farm, cut open your steel doors or arrange a crane to dismantle your tweeters on their own.

why they issued notice to you? is it because your sound is just too loud?

Harmony is the key....don't be stubborn and think that you have all the rights and without considering your neighbours rights.

胜多多1

回复 1419# kenntan8830


   马来西亚华人讲的没错。我们只是小沙一粒。何必以卵击石呢？钱能解决都不是问题。要解决问题不要制造问题。所谓和气生财嘛！心平气和些吧！朋友

kenntan8830

回复 1423# 胜多多1


    我的声音已经开得很小声了，我的邻居不是要我把声音关小声而是不准我在他隔壁养燕，因为他住在店面楼上。他的楼下是经营维修motor的，难道就不吵吗？今年过年的时候他还打破我楼上的百叶窗，好彩窗内有围砖了。。。。:@:@:@ 难道他就不能让点吗。。。我已经很迁就他了

超级幸运星

今天再次收到县议会的信，限我在七天内关掉声音。 你们说我有可能关掉声音吗。。。。白痴。等着瞧 ...
kenntan8830 发表于 13-7-2010 09:54 PM

要酱生气meh?kakaka.....内声就关小声点咯。。。或者里面隔音再加强些吧。。。在夜深人静的时候，内音确实会干扰人家的睡眠的。。。平时是不大听的清楚的。。但是到了半夜就。。。还是让一让吧。。多一事不如少一事。。。

六月@雪

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佳燕 发表于 13-7-2010 09:20 AM

唉，该出来的终于出来了....我们在店屋养燕的又有难了。

超级幸运星

唉，该出来的终于出来了....我们在店屋养燕的又有难了。
六月@雪 发表于 14-7-2010 02:34 AM

没有想象中的糟糕啦。。。照着他们的指示去做吧。。。离不了钱的。。

vklily

那有这样的事，如果这样，那不是不公平？认识公会的主席，叫他帮人写文件是2009年进会员的，不就 ...
vklily 发表于 13-7-2010 02:09 PM

attach from forunm lowyat's

IS BULLSHITTING AGAIN. HE IS UP TO SOMETHING.   


Don’t be misled by this from the Kedah Merchants Association Sdn Bhd. According to the many enraged Kedah BH owners who felt being cheated that in last October, he misled many owners to attend a GAHP conducted by his Sdn Bhd at a fee of RM500 for a half day course promising them that with only the certificate of attendance, the Majlis would surely approve their BH license without question. More than 200+ innocent and ignorant owners attended. In that seminar, he offered associated membership with no voting right at RM100 to the owners telling them the Majlis in Kedah would only entertain and accept application of BH license from his Association Sdn Bhd members only together with the GAHP cert. The Association Sdn Bhd made more than a hundred thousand in these seminars. In November 2009, he again appealed in the Chinese news papers to ask all owners to submit applications to the Majlis latest by 31.12.2009 together with the GAHP cert. failing which; all late applicants after this date would not be entertained by the authority. Hundreds of innocent owners hurried and applied. During the submission of document, the Majlis Perbandaran Sg Petani Kedah (MPSPK) staff threw away all the GAHP cert. saying that has got nothing to do with the application.


By April 2010, all applicants received reply from the Majlis stating that their applications are not successful. On top of this, 100% applicants are slammed with a notice of penalty ranging from few thousands to thirty thousand ringgits each. The few hundred misled owners who trusted him are so furious now like ants on hot pan cursing and swearing on him. Whereas the few thousand more local owners who know this man’s past too well and thus not trusting him and did not respond to his calls are now safe and are still awaiting for the details of the official 1GP in black and white before deciding next course of action collectively under a separate umbrella. So far there is only one lope sided suggested unprofessionally prepared guidelines from the Federal controlled State Town Planner which has yet to be agreed by the owners.


Today, again, this man is bullshitting in the papers saying that only those submitted or registered on or before 31.12.2009 would be permitted to apply for license which is totally contradicting to the Minister of Agriculture’s statement of registering with the DEPARTMENT OF VERINARY SERVICE (DVS) by end of 2010. So, who is telling liar? Who is to be trusted? Sometimes, many locals are wondering and puzzled that this man is considered a filthy rich billionaire, but why does he still want to do such nonsense to suck money and mislead others into troubles again? Many owners predict he has alot of surprises to expect in his JUDGEMENT DAY.


For those who have doubts of the above, please don't hesistate to confirm with your friends or relatives who own BH in Kedah if the above are true.


Always bear in mind, 1GP is only a guidelines or ‘ADVICE’ and not law. It is not a compulsion. It can be amended or improved from time to time to fit in the situation. Every state and Majlis has its own jurisdiction to decide. In the whole of Malaysia, it is estimated there has already no less than 200,000 BHs existing across the country from city to town to rural to jungle. There is no way a good and sincere government would want to kill this golden goose industry which has become unwittingly an enormous economic pillar involving the lifelines of millions and amounting to Billions of ringgits. If the government is not wise and not careful, this cannot be overlook political force can definitely turn into another giant political tsunami to further change the political landscape in next election. There is also no valid reason why the present Federal Govt not supporting this industry. If the Govt not supporting, then why did Najib approve the allocation of Billions to encourage more people especially the kampong folks to go into this industry last year? Let us not to panic or jump the gun yet but to wait for the details to be revealed soon. We can assure you to have a good six storey jump as we expect there would be a lot of controversial and unrealistic and impractical issues and crazy recommendations which most would curse and swear.


PENANG HERITAGE CORE ZONE   


We have extreme worry and feel sorry now for those BHs in heritage core zone in particularly to the George Town of Penang that they may not be able to be saved. It seems that the committee of the Penang new association has failed in total in performing its initial prime objective that is to initiate a sincere and amicable dialogue with the PENANG HERITAGE TRUST (PHT) to clear up their misunderstanding of facts on this industry agreed unanimously by the founder members of this new association since 2 years ago. There are so many good and valid and convincing reasons discovered that this living heritage and the historical heritage can definitely coexist for a win-win. The PHT is the main objecting party due to being misled with wrong facts provided by certain people with personal hidden agenda. The committee in the PHT are all very high calibre, professional and experienced with wise wisdom elite volunteers from the society. They are not unreasonable people. Once, the correct facts put in front of them, we believe the issue would definitely and naturally be dissolved amicably. Instead, the new association led by the inexperienced committee barked at the wrong tree by putting all the blames on the State Govt for not supporting them. How could the State Govt support one party while there are strong and deemed valid objections from others? We think the committee of the new association should reset their priority right. They should immediately extent an invitation to the PHT for a fact clearing dialogue before it is too late. Once the issue is dissolved with PHT no reason why State Govt not supporting this industry in the heritage zone? Why can't the committee be humble enough to do that at least once? The golden opportunity is slipping through fast. We can only sympathise those ignorant BH owner members in Penang core zone but they have themselves to be blamed for stupidly putting the trust into the wrong representatives. For self rescue before time runs out soon, it is advisable the members to call for an EGM to elect the right representatives to protect their interest in the right direction fast. If nothing is done now, all of you are confirmed sitting ducks. Hoping to get the LADY QUEEN'S COUNCIL to rescue you? God would never able to help you if you don't help yourself first.


For those BH owners from across the country, if you have doubt or distrust on the sincerity and the leadership of the existing associations in your area or townships, you could always call for an EGM to re-elect the right committee to lead if you are already a member or you could just round up seven or more owners, friends or relatives to register another similar association to fight for your own interest and cause. There is no law prohibiting you to do that. There is no law saying cannot have more than one similar nature association in the same township or state or nationally. The moment you send in your application to the REGISTRAR OF SOCIETIES, immediately you can function as an association under PROTEM pending official approval. It takes only seven or ten Malaysian adults to do that. You can either submit it yourself or engage the professional service of any Company Secretary to do it at the initial stage. The professional fee incurred is within a few hundred to a thousand only. No Govt official dares to say that he only recognizes and entertains only one association. For your personal benefit and interest, you better do that now.


As for those owners who do not wish to join in any association, you too can register and apply for your BH license by going to the local DVS to do that. Again, there is no law to say you must be a member of an association to apply for any license. It is just like you need not to be a member of any PERSATUAN KEDAI KOPI to apply for a license to operate a coffee shop. But, our advice is it is better to be united under an association. UNITY IS STRENGTH.


Can somebody have this posted up in Forum Cari to help clarify situation and ease the fear of many who don’t surf here. Also somebody help translate the Chinese news cutting into English here.

佳燕

中央统一指南只是供地方政府参考，他不是法律，不是条规。在指南还没发布前，很多地方政府都已经推出自己的一套条规，这没有什么好紧张的。

我反而对兽医局强制性要所有燕屋进行注册，（她的老爷网站www.burungwalit.com.my也不知在干什么？）而且燕屋都会被分发“身份證”和獲得「無線射頻辨識系統」（RFID）以方便鑑定工作的这个举动感到困扰。以下是关于RFID的解说。


无线电频率识别 RFID 是英文“RADIO FREQUENCY IDENTIFICATION”的缩写
http://www.20ok.com/blog/post/48.html

http://www.enpot.com.cn/rfid.htm

政府的这项目的肯定是为了追踪我们的燕窝去了那里。到时每一项燕窝交易可能都会被监视。官员也肯定的不时会来敲门，点算我们的燕窝数目。这些燕窝好像是政府的资产了。

最直接参与这项伟大工程的燕窝联合会不但没有第一时间出来解释，反而觉得所有燕屋都必须成为工会会员的这一条款而感到沾沾自喜。联合会的署理会长不是和农长拍了很多照片吗？大家打电话问问他因该是最清楚了。

Por Lee Tee
Executive Secretary
Persekutuan Persatuan Pedagang Sarang Burung Malaysia
C/O Por Ooi & Co. Chartered Accountants
140, Jalan Kelah Cinta Sayang, Taman Ria Jaya,
08000 Sungei Petani, Kedah.
Tel:04-7335759/04-4414033
Fax: 04-7331592/04-4416676

Email: sp@porooi.com.my

vklily

中央统一指南只是供地方政府参考，他不是法律，不是条规。在指南还没发布前，很多地方政府都已经推出自己的 ...
佳燕 发表于 14-7-2010 10:29 AM

请问它的运作，功用是怎样的？目的是做什么要放在燕屋？

每一只燕子可以装着这科技吗？是不是要知道燕子飞去哪？来自哪家燕屋主的？是不是想知道A燕屋主的燕和B燕屋主的燕有交情吗？

   请问 FRID的无线电波与音频信息会不会影响燕子的成长？？？？对燕子有害吗？

佳燕

2010年7月11日 星期日
马兴松：今宣布指南 现有燕屋料获保留 12-7-10
（双溪大年10日讯）《南洋商报》探悉，政府明天将宣布影响全国养燕业者营运方针的“养燕业指南”，最令业者欣喜的消息，便是全国燕屋都将获保留。这项由全国燕窝商联合总会及农业与农基工业部历经无数次协商后出炉的指南，将为养燕业者厘定正确的经营方向。马来西亚燕窝商联合总会会长拿督巴杜卡马兴松今天向《南洋商报》证实这项消息。不过，他说，有关指南内容必须交由农业部宣布。农业部长拿督诺奥玛已定于明天在吉隆坡召开记者会，宣布新鲜出炉的养燕业指南。据了解，这分指南内容分为三大部分，即（1）养燕、（2）加工、（3）出口，从而规定养燕业及燕屋的操作、环境卫生、产品素质、品牌保证等。地方政府有权增删无论如何，这套指南只作为全国划一的准则大纲，地方政府有绝对权力加以修改、增设或删除，从而个别落实符合地方上需要的指南。至于古迹保留区燕屋的存废及前景，则交由古迹保留区小组委员会决定。市区不宜建燕屋据悉，在全国燕窝商联合总会积极争取下，现有燕屋将获得保留，该联合会总会长马兴松较早时指出，在2009年12日31日或之前向当局登记或申请的燕屋，都将获得保留；至于在12月31日后设立的燕屋将不在考虑范围。该会也不鼓励在市区范围建立新燕屋。加强监督卫生环境为了确保我国出产到国外的燕窝具备一定水准及素质保证，当局将限定所有养燕业下游企业业者，在符合卫生的环境中运作，同时使用符合规格的设备，生产纯正及健康的产品。有关指南也规定出口燕窝产品必须获当局批准函件，以维护我国燕窝品牌，塑造符合卫生水平及品质保证的马来西亚燕窝产品。

佳燕

马六甲养燕公会做得好，第一时间做出反应。

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與中央政府條例有衝突
甲州引燕依州指南
世遺區有22間燕屋已註冊。
（馬六甲13日訊）儘管農業及農基部昨日已公佈國家引燕業發展指南，但甲州引燕商仍然需要依據甲州政府擬出的引燕指南，才可獲得地方政府發出的執照。

甲州鄉村發展及農業委員會主席拿督莫哈末希迪今日在記者會上公佈說，甲州引燕指南在去年5月已擬好，但為了等待中央政府的指南出爐，一直到上週四，才在州行政議會上通過修改中央的指南，所擬出適合甲州執行的指南。

他指出，州指南與中央指南略有不同，包括中央禁止不能在水源區設燕屋，在甲州卻允許。

“這條例並不適合用于甲州，因為野新縣有三分二為水源區，如果依據中央的限制，幾乎整個野新縣都不能進行引燕活動。”

另外，他說，燕屋的緩衝區距離也略有不同。中央政府限制燕屋必須距離住宅區20公尺，在甲州卻需要距離100公尺。不過，對于現有的燕屋，州政府將依據不同的情況作出考量。

同時，在機場方圓10公里的地方，都不可有引燕活動。不過，莫哈末希迪強調，只要獲得民航局的准證，還是有商量的餘地。

他指出，依據地方政府的數據，州內獲得地方政府發出臨時執照的燕屋共有60間，不過，依據獸醫局作出的統計，州內應有300間燕屋。

他提醒引燕業者，需從即日起向各縣的獸醫局進行註冊，同時，他也鼓勵所有業者向馬來西亞燕窩商聯合會註冊成為會員，以方便地方政府監督，並發出永久執照。

出席記者會者包括甲燕窩商公會會長曾永安、副會長劉倧良、財政汪枝民等理事。

世遺區禁新燕屋

世遺區的燕屋必須向文物局申請准證，以決定去留。

莫哈末希迪指出，世遺區內共有22間燕屋，已獲得市政廳發出的臨時執照，這些燕屋皆可向文物局申請准證，在文物局證實有關燕屋的存在，不會破壞老屋或影響世遺的地位后，就可獲得正式的執照。

至于未獲得臨時執照的燕屋，希迪說，有關引燕商還是可以向文物局申請准證，批准與否，為當局的權力。

無論如何，他強調，州政府已不允許新的燕屋，在世遺區出現。

胜多多1

回复 1424# kenntan8830


   能不能直接找他聊一聊，看能不能私下解决呢！凡是都有的商量嘛！

嬷嬷喳喳

回复 1391# abc4000

类似照片的，不过少你的70%。

嬷嬷喳喳

如果只是几滴就不要说成堆，会让人困扰。等下给了不正确的看法。

你所说的最多鸟粪的那“堆”是外声的扬 ...
佳燕 发表于 12-7-2010 05:03 PM

不好意思让你们混淆了。我目前应该是说“处”而不是堆。
请问通常内声与外声用的Speaker形状是有差别的吗？里面是有长形与正方形的。
你们是以听声音来辨别还是以speaker形来辨别？
昨天多了2处新粪区，之前的有3处燕粪开始增加了。。。

佳燕

回复 1435# 嬷嬷喳喳

哦！原来你分不出哪一个扬声器是外声的。哈哈。那只要粪迹有增加就放心啦。你的顾问会帮你看住的。单看扬声器来辨认内外声是不准确的。因为有些人使用不一样的，有些混合使用，有些却采用一样的。自己再多些学习，希望有一天你会分辨出来。