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发表于 28-7-2008 11:20 AM
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原帖由 applely 于 28-7-2008 11:06 AM 发表 
Fund Manager 不一定是那班老将啊..
他们推出那么多基金, 应该是请新人管了吧... 但是老将应该会GUIDE 他们吧...... |
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发表于 28-7-2008 11:26 AM
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原帖由 king1892 于 27-7-2008 11:26 AM 发表 
表現第6糟糕 :Public PB Islamic Asia Equity 虧損26.23%
表現第7糟糕 :OSK-UOB Global New Stars 虧損25.34%
表現第8糟糕 :Public China Select 虧損25.23%
表現第9糟糕 :Public PB Islamic Asia Strategic Sector 虧損24.13%
Public PB Islamic Asia Equity從推出以來到25.07.08的總虧損4.28%。
它的Benchmark在同時期內只虧損0.35%。
PB Islamic Asia Equity比自己的Benchmark多虧了1122.86%
Public PB Islamic Asia Strategic Sector從推出以來到25.07.08的總虧損是24.28%
它的Benchmark在同時期內的虧損是18.47%。
Public PB Islamic Asia Strategic Sector比自己的Benchmark多虧了31.46% |
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发表于 28-7-2008 11:29 AM
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原帖由 king1892 于 28-7-2008 11:26 AM 发表 
Public PB Islamic Asia Equity從推出以來到25.07.08的總虧損4.28%。
它的Benchmark在同時期內只虧損0.35%。
PB Islamic Asia Equity比自己的Benchmark多虧了1122.86%
Public PB Islamic Asia Strategic Se ... king兄
你是怎么算出来的? |
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发表于 28-7-2008 03:50 PM
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回复 1260# applely 的帖子
其实看一看基金说明书,不难发现一个基金经理会管很多支基金的。
一支基金通常由两个基金经理管理。
如果想知道你买的基金(比如说你们讨厌的PCSF)的基金经理是谁,看一看基金说明书就懂了。
如果很不喜欢他,就卖掉所有他管理的基金。
我有空再放上来给大家看。 |
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发表于 28-7-2008 04:35 PM
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PCSF得基金经理
大家所攻击的PCSF基金经理叫Lum Ming Jang和 Chiang Kang Pey。
除了PCSF, 他们两个也管理其他基金。
Lum Ming Jang :PSMALLCAP、PGSF、PFECTF、PCTF、PGBF、PIEF、PIOF、PIADF、PIDF、PAIF、PIABF、PCIF
PBIAEF、PBEPEF、PBCPEF。
Chiang Kang Pey:PIX、PIF、PGSF、PFEDF、PGBF、PEBF、PBBF、PBGF、PBIEF、PBIASSF、PBEPEF、PBCPEF。 |
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发表于 28-7-2008 05:03 PM
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原帖由 我是大头 于 28-7-2008 04:35 PM 发表 
大家所攻击的PCSF基金经理叫Lum Ming Jang和 Chiang Kang Pey。
除了PCSF, 他们两个也管理其他基金。
Lum Ming Jang :PSMALLCAP、PGSF、PFECTF、PCTF、PGBF、PIEF、PIOF、PIADF、PIDF、PAIF、PIABF、PCIF
PBIAE ...
一个人管那么多, 难怪死到这样惨.... |
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发表于 28-7-2008 07:11 PM
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哈,老哥,你要卖阿林的基金啊。。。你最好去别的公司了。。他以五年的经验,是我们大众信托AGENT的最好的经里人了。。。其他的算了啦。。。 |
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发表于 29-7-2008 02:30 AM
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发表于 29-7-2008 08:48 AM
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发表于 29-7-2008 10:33 AM
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发表于 29-7-2008 12:00 PM
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没有了啦...现在他们出少了啦...没那么夸张啦....哈...也是平均两个月一个基金.... |
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发表于 29-7-2008 01:28 PM
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回复 1266# applely 的帖子
哎哟!你们以为只有一两个做工而已咩!
基金经理是头头来的,有手下的在打工的嘛!
头头看了手下的资料后,再和手下 meeting 啦!
难道你们打工的时候,不是这样的吗!?
把报告准备好了给老板/经理,作最后的决定! |
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发表于 29-7-2008 03:22 PM
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发表于 29-7-2008 06:40 PM
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原帖由 我是大头 于 29-7-2008 03:22 PM 发表 
还亏你们投资了那么多基金。基金经理是谁都不懂。
其实每间公司都是这样的!不只是PB而已。
只是投资者不愿去研究这个,每天只会看基金价格的波动。
其实很多人都还不清楚基金的运作方式。
我会去研究!然后再 ...
至少其他的基金经理都没有PB的管那么多!!
管他基金经理是谁,最重要是赚钱!!
最重要的好像没有说到!!
大众原本的管理团队是不错的,可惜的是有一批超精英的经理们跑了去其他的公司!
投资者投资基金就是不想做功课,只想交钱给人投资,然后赚钱,就这么简单!
这是基金投资的基本要求,如果要做那么多的功课,不如直接去研究股票会更好!
与其花时间研究基金经理的功课,不如自己做功课直接投资股市会更好!!
说这么多PB的好话也没有用,投资者要的是看到自己投资可以赚钱,如果连这都不知道,还开那么多基金搞什么!! |
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发表于 29-7-2008 08:53 PM
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原帖由 我是大头 于 28-7-2008 04:35 PM 发表 
大家所攻击的PCSF基金经理叫Lum Ming Jang和 Chiang Kang Pey。
除了PCSF, 他们两个也管理其他基金。
Lum Ming Jang :PSMALLCAP、PGSF、PFECTF、PCTF、PGBF、PIEF、PIOF、PIADF、PIDF、PAIF、PIABF、PCIF
PBIAE ...
這兩位先生是什麼來頭?在大眾信託裡頭擔任什麼職位?有什麼學術背景?不會只是一般大學生吧? |
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发表于 30-7-2008 12:07 AM
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回复 1275# king1892 的帖子
我直接从Prospectus抄出来:
Mr. Lum Ming Jang (Senior General Manager - Investment), holds an honours degree in Accountancy from the National University of Singapore and is a Chartered Financial Analyst. He joined Public Mutual in 2001 as Senior Manager - Investment Research and assumed the position of Senior Manager - Fund Management and co-designated fund manager of various funds in 2003. He was promoted to General Manager - Investment in 2004 and subsequently Senior General Manager - Investment in 2007.
Mr Lum has more than 18 years of experience in investment research and stock broking. Prior to joining Public Mutual, Mr Lum held management positions at various established local and foreign stock broking houses, overseeing their investment research functions and institutional sales. Mr Lum's investment research experience include assessing corporate earnings growth prospects, evaluating management track record, computation of stock valuations and financial analysis of listed companies on the Bursa Securities. He is also familiar with analysis of financial and economic trends which affect stock market movements. On the fund management side, Mr Lum has served as a co-fund manager of selected trust funds managed by Public Mutual since 2003 before assuming the position of General Manager - Investment in 2004 and subsequently Senior General Manager - Investment in 2007.
Mr Chiang Kang Pay (Assistant General Manager - Investment, Equities Section) holds a Master of Financial Management (Dean's Honours List) degree from the Rotterdam School of Management, Erasmus University in the Nertherlands and a Bachelor of Economics in Accounting from Monash University in Australia. He is a CFA charterholder and has over 10 years of experience in investment analysis and portfolio management. Mr. Chiang joined Public Mutual in 2004 as Manager - Investment Research and was subsequently re-designated as Manager - Investment, Equities Section where he was involved in managing selected equity funds. He was promoted to the position of Senior Portfolio Manager - Investment, Equities Section in 2005 and assumed the position of co-fund manager of carious equity funds. From 2006 onwards, Mr Chiang was entrusted to be the designated fund manager of selected equity funds. He was promoted to the position of Assistant General Manager in 2008. In this capacity, he actively construct, monitor and rebalance the equity portfolios to achieve the stated objective of the respective funds.
Mr Chiang commenced his investment career in 1995 as an equity analyst at a stockbroking firm and subsequently, joined the investment department of a life insurance company. Prior to joining Public Mutual, he was attached to an asset management company. He started off in the asset management company as Assistant Fund Manager responsible for analysing and valuing listed companies. He was later made Fund Manager, jointly managing Asia Pacific (Ex-Japan) portfolios where he specialised in Malaysian and Thailand equities. |
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发表于 30-7-2008 01:56 PM
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回复 1274# ccck 的帖子
是吗?这有待观察。
在大众信托大赚钱时,有人怀疑过一个基金经理管那么多基金吗?
为什么问题总是出现在低潮期。
但是不做功课的程度也要有个限度。
信托基金是三至五年的金融产品,这应该懂吧?
公司没骗人,它跟你说了,三至五年,不然就不要买!
是大家被06年和07年的涨势冲昏了头,认定基金能在短期内赚到钱。
三至五年不是借口,而是警告!
投资者不听,怪了谁? |
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发表于 30-7-2008 02:09 PM
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原帖由 king1892 于 18-7-2008 07:48 PM 发表 
Public China Select Fund(PCSF)在05.06.07到16.07.08之間的虧損是22.24%
PSCF的Benchmark在同時期內的虧損是1.34%
PCSF的虧損竟然是自己Benchmark的1560%。
輸自己的benchmark一點點本來就要被罵了,現在 ...
我觉得说PCSF输benchmark1560%太夸张了!
不知道King哥为何要那么夸大PCSF的跌势。
这样的算法根本没有公信力,有误导之嫌。
接下来我会一一说出这算法的不公平。 |
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发表于 30-7-2008 02:43 PM
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King哥的算法不公平。
King哥的算法=
PCSF= - 22.24
benchmark = -1.34
-22.24 除-1.34 x 100% = 1659.7%
这样的算法公平吗?
我做个比方,大家就懂这方法根本不公平。
A基金 :-20% benchmarkA基金 :-1% A基金输benchmark = 20除0.1x100%=2000%!
B基金:-60% benchmarkB基金 :-20% B基金输benchmark =60除20x100%=300%!
如果两个基金投资额都是100K,A基金的亏损输benchmark = 19千
B基金的亏损输benchmark = 40千
根据King哥的算法,B基金输40K但是只是输300%。而A基金才输19千就输2000%。
根据King哥的算法,B基金远远好过A基金!你看明白了吗?
PCSF就是A基金的现实版!
其实要说输benchmark多少,直接把两个的回酬率相减得到的就行了。
例子:22.24 - 1.34 = 20.9%
PCSF输benchmark20.9%!!!不是可笑的千多巴仙! |
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发表于 30-7-2008 02:50 PM
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King哥的数据有点不准!
Public China Select Fund(PCSF)在05.06.07到16.07.08的亏损是-22.1559。
Benchmark是:- 4.4190
别看相差一点而已,这样的数据根据King哥误导性的算法,算出来的也大为不同!
22.1559除4.4190x100%=501.37%
只是benchmark相差3%,巴仙率能相差1000%++!这算法能相信吗? |
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