云顶会员卡 (Part VI)

kaka5163

laughingg 发表于 27-4-2014 06:53 AM
是粉贵的
为了upgrade 银卡而奉献金钱，好像不值得咯

省钱出国玩算了～～

laughingg

chiwawa87 发表于 28-4-2014 12:48 PM
能讲下hollywood是在哪里吗？？

Highland hotel 那边的,恭和堂,baskin robbin 那边的电梯一直上就是了

laughingg

kaka5163 发表于 28-4-2014 03:07 PM
省钱出国玩算了～～

对咯,我也是酱想,哈哈

plouffle0789

马来西亚赌场的HOUSE EDGE是全球最高的？？？

当时是新生活报访问了某个国家的职业赌徒, 然后那个职业赌徒说为什么绝对不会在马来西亚的赌场赌钱, 仔细公开了马来西亚的赌场比较其他国外赌场在数学和经营上对赌徒更不利的数学分析, 包括为什么Public GAMING Area没有BlackJack只有Pontoon,连续洗牌机 Continuous Shuffling Machines, 变化的规则造成更大的House Edge等等, 而几个星期后新生活报却登出了这样的内容, 好像什么报导给马来西亚的赌场公司带来困扰道歉类似这样的话.....新生活报只是小报而已都被施加压力, 所以你应该明白为什么马来西亚的赌场是世界上Profit Margin最高的赌场(几年前的数据).....你去报导鬼鬼神神他们不会鸟你, 信和不信而已, 不会影响到赌场, 因为一定会有人自己去找所谓的高人解什么风水阵等等而以为可以大杀四方而上马来西亚的赌场杀过, 他们最喜欢这样的顾客......



genting malaysia no blackjack at public gaming area,only has pontoon.
Continuous Reshuffle Poker Card Machine also cause more house edge.

but now the whole whole casino is use continuous shuffling machines (CSM), so that dealt cards are shuffled back into the deck after each hand, in order to fend off card counting, right?


An Eventual Gambling Problem : Insights from Genting
I read the Time Magazine article “Asia Growing Gambling Addiction” [1] with a heavy heart. I find Casino seriously distasteful because it is mere exploitation of the irrational, the superstitious and usually, the uneducated. This might be considered racist, but when it comes to gambling, the average Asian cannot count. Don’t think. And frankly, stupid.

If you have been to Genting, you know what I mean. Genting casinos games have the tables with one of the the worst odds in the world. Just take the “Pontoon” tables for example.

First, Genting does not have Blackjack tables, which is the only beatable game in Casinos through card counting (which is possible if the dealing is not done through a continuous shuffle system). In its place in Genting is called “Pontoon”. This is basically blackjack without the 10s in UK. If you understand blackjack, the more 10s and Aces in the deck, the higher the odds for the player. Pontoon is also the game that the Royal Statistical Society concluded can’t be beaten. If you have access to JSTOR, you might look at an article on this. [2]

The beauty about this is that in Genting, their variant of Pontoon is actually not the unbeatable English Pontoon above. It is worse than that. It is actually a variant of the American game Spanish 21. By calling it Pontoon confuses people, and the Genting dealers will describe the rules as “similar to blackjack.” However, Genting does not even use standard Spanish 21 rules. It only allows doubles on two hands. This is significant for two reasons. To apply a successful basic strategy in Spanish 21 games, one must double and double often, and on many cards. Without card counting (impossible under a continous shuffle system), you can reduce the house edge to about 2.08% which means you will lose less in the long run. But because 99.9 % of the gamblers in Genting (mostly Singaporeans) are still under the impression this is Blackjack or UK Pontoon, they refuse to double save on 8-9-10s, which means they are seriously in trouble – which gives them worse odds than random play.

Already lost? Yes. Most gamblers don't even bother knowing the rules of the game.

According to Edward Thorpe (who I really respect, not only because of his mathematical ability in the casino, but also in the stock market [3]) if you play without any strategy in Pontoon, the house has nearly a 30% edge (if I don’t remember wrongly). This means that if you Randomly play a 100RM a hand (which is the minimum bet sum for Pontoon in Genting) for 100 hands (one hour) you will lose about 3000 RM. And if you are "lucky", you will lose about 1000 RM. If you are unlucky, about 10000 RM.

And these “Pontoon” tables in Genting are so popular that on weekends due to the Singaporean crowd, you can forget about finding a seat, with Singaporeans clamoring to lose their money. So when Genting won the bid for the IR in Sentosa, I was pissed. If Singaporeans clamour to lose 3000 RM per hour in Genting, they will pay the entrance fee and lose more, this time in SGD. Maybe that is why Genting won the bid. They sure can lure those with money to burn. Who knows?

This is seriously an Asian problem, not an Asia one. If you go to casinos in British Columbia, Canada, you will see Chinese, Chinese, Chinese. I hope this is not taken to be racist, but the Chinese seemed more predisposed to getting addicted to gambling. Same thing for The Crown, Australia, which is supposed to be the largest Casino in the Southern Hemisphere. Same thing for Star City, Syndey. One seems to find unusually a large percentage of Chinese. Perhaps the locals prefer betting on sports than on cards, but I won’t know. I see Chinese.

So I really hope that Singapore apart from those psychological and family-centric help efforts – they must ensure that house edges are displayed at every table. Currently, I think only odds and payout might be provided. Actually odds as these people understand will be provided in any case because it is part of the rules of Gambling (Casino pays 3 to 2 on Blackjack is “odds” to the layman). This helps no one except the casinos. Gamblers will ask in any case. I hope I am not seen to be dissing the psychological and family-centric help thing here. Look, all those things are great, but - for cigarettes - you do put the warning labels right? And in this case, because the risk is mathematically quantifiable, that should be provided. Not everyone should end up in the addiction clinic. That might be too late. Information as any economists will tell you, will help a lot in making rational choices - or at least make irrational choices in the least irrational way.

So we should put house edges (Display "House has edge of 15 percent even if you use optimum strategy" - aka "everyone at this table is a rich fool").

But Gamblers tend to blow their fortune tables with a relatively low house edge too ( they think they can beat the house - aka at about the very high 5 percent house edge) because that is when it gets really addictive. When a player gets punished too much, the non-pathological tends to quit. So it is not enough to display the House Edge alone.

Another thing the state can do is to follow British Columbia Casinos where they provide basic strategy tables for games like Blackjack where if you just follow blindly, the house edge will significantly reduce – about 3 percent. Otherwise, all these family-centric and psychological help is useless to aid the "My-Mind-Can-Change-Card-Outcome" or "I-just-have-to-pray-harder" variety. Gamblers are traditionally masochistic. They have traditionally embraced relatively better odds games but make their odds worse by playing lousily. The classic example is Blackjack and more recently, Caribbean stud poker (which already has bad odds in the first place) comes to mind. Where the odds are about even, they tend to choose side bets with terrible odds.

Personally, I think gambling against the odds not wicked or immoral per se. And I won’t really call Gambling a disease per se. After all, it is beneficial when it can be beaten. Won't think that a disease in that case, will you?

But my point here is that the average Singaporeans who is addicted to bad odds in Genting already, is seriously quite screwed when the IR arrives. Someone should really tell them the house edge, the odds, and if he still chooses to play, the optimum strategy. And if he still does not follow that, nothing will save him.


[1] http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1678672-1,00.html

[2] http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0035-9238(1972)135%3A2%3C221%3ACP%3E2.0.CO%3B2-C

[3] http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/thorp/paper.htm


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There are actually far worse odds in the world than at the tables of Genting. Lotteries typically have worse odds, but I feel its level of harm to individuals much less. Other terrible bets:

1) Keno, a popular casino lottery game boost a house edge of 25 percent. Unsurprisingly this was invented in China.
2) Betting ties in Baccarat is horrible in Genting too. It is so bet that if you bet it, the dealer might sneer at you. (At about 14.5% house edge - I think Ties pay 1:9 in Genting, is higher than the average 1:8 payout in other Casinos).
3) Insurance in Pontoon. (Its so bad I could scream. 30 percent house edge)
4) Roulette with O,00 (5.6 percent. Not terrible but why bother when you can find one table with only one 0 making it half the edge)
5) One of the Chinese Favourite with various names "War" or "Tie War" (About 19 percent)








In Holland, many casinos use continuous shuffling machines (CSM), so that dealt cards are shuffled back into the deck after each hand, in order to fend off card counting.

In all casinos, the games have a built-in “house edge”, the profit taken from each bet. Although it varies from place to place, lottery-type games such as keno or slots typically have the worst odds, with the house advantage getting up to around 35%. Players’ odds are better in card and dice games; for instance, blackjack only has a house advantage of around 1% to 2% for skilled players and a house advantage of up to around 20% for unskilled players, while craps has a house advantage as low as less than one percent for skilled players and up to around 16% for unskilled players. Casinos don’t typically disclose odds, but frequent blackjack players have reported facing better odds in Belgium, while in the Dominican Republic, keno reportedly has even worse odds than other parts of the world.
At the end of the day, the house always wins because casinos are businesses. They have to turn a profit to stay alive. While the ecosystem of a casino serves the end goal of taking gamblers’ money, players can come out on top by quitting while they’re ahead. That, of course, is easier said than done.


The game you mentioned here is call "PONTOON" not BLACKJACK
The casino already removed card "10" from the shoe !! This will give
the  house edge of 4 to 5% with perfect BS. DO NOT TOUCH THIS GAME!!!!

六脉神剑

Haizz，我的卡还要等多一年才可以拿回。
死扑街云顶

mypromise

六脉神剑 发表于 30-4-2014 01:04 AM
Haizz，我的卡还要等多一年才可以拿回。
死扑街云顶

没睡觉？看球？

拜仁被sapu了。。。。

六脉神剑

mypromise 发表于 30-4-2014 06:12 AM
没睡觉？看球？

拜仁被sapu了。。。。

我看到2-0就睡觉了，那时候已经没机会赢了。
还是客场进球。
今晚看切尔西。

kaka5163

这里有没有云顶职业赌徒的啊？

真的有人天天上云顶当正职可以赚生活费？？

曾经刚推出的免费巴士云顶一日游，真的有听闻过一些安哥安娣天天准时报到的，他们都说每天只需要赢一个百多两百走人就可以了，又有免费巴士，免费赚两分，免费一餐吃～～～哈哈哈哈哈！
只是不懂为何现在突然这个优惠好像完全没完动静了～～
不懂是不是林国泰的队伍觉得这样不划算所以取消了嘞？？

mypromise

kaka5163 发表于 30-4-2014 02:01 PM
这里有没有云顶职业赌徒的啊？

真的有人天天上云顶当正职可以赚生活费？？

1天赢RM100 / RM200的话，1个月RM3000 - RM6000薪水了

kaka5163

mypromise 发表于 30-4-2014 02:35 PM
1天赢RM100 / RM200的话，1个月RM3000 - RM6000薪水了

的确是好赚过一般打工的，但是要有很足够的定力跟运气咯！
很多人就是死在赢了不肯收手，输了还买得更大。最后不止赔上金钱，还赔了健康～～

chiwawa87

六脉神剑 发表于 30-4-2014 01:04 AM
Haizz，我的卡还要等多一年才可以拿回。
死扑街云顶

我换银卡了, 但是没什么分别, 如何上金卡呢??

六脉神剑

chiwawa87 发表于 30-4-2014 09:42 PM
我换银卡了, 但是没什么分别, 如何上金卡呢??

要上金卡，请找楼主...

ivanchew44

六脉神剑 发表于 30-4-2014 09:44 PM
要上金卡，请找楼主...

这个月有上吗？

六脉神剑

ivanchew44 发表于 1-5-2014 11:02 AM
这个月有上吗？

没有哦，我已经几个月没上了。

ivanchew44

六脉神剑 发表于 1-5-2014 11:19 AM
没有哦，我已经几个月没上了。

你说生日上嘛。。。

六脉神剑

ivanchew44 发表于 1-5-2014 11:23 AM
你说生日上嘛。。。

没了，明天就是我的生日了，但是没上。
或许真的对赌博没兴趣了，哈哈

ivanchew44

六脉神剑 发表于 1-5-2014 11:31 AM
没了，明天就是我的生日了，但是没上。
或许真的对赌博没兴趣了，哈哈

哈哈.好事來的。我book了。5月11-13

六脉神剑

ivanchew44 发表于 1-5-2014 04:34 PM
哈哈.好事來的。我book了。5月11-13

哈哈，是咯。
玩得开心点吧

chiwawa87

六脉神剑 发表于 30-4-2014 09:44 PM
要上金卡，请找楼主...

搂主，是真的吗？ @mypromise

六脉神剑

chiwawa87 发表于 1-5-2014 08:00 PM
搂主，是真的吗？ @mypromise

不懂，但可以试下找他。