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【红魔转会讨论区VII】换厨师重要,还是买材料重要?

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发表于 3-9-2015 08:17 AM | 显示全部楼层
Another Manchester United transfer window full of squad turnoverBY ANDY MITTEN
At a news conference to announce new signings earlier this summer, Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal said that his squad needed to be increased in numbers in order to cope with the likely demands of playing in four competitions this season. United had 27 first-team squad members at the end of last season. With the summer transfer window just finished, the Reds now have 24 first-team players, just 18 of them senior, going into the next game against Liverpool.

Ben Amos and Anders Lindegaard were the goalkeepers who departed, while the ones who wanted to leave, David De Gea and Victor Valdes, stayed. From the defence, Rafael, Jonny Evans and Tom Thorpe have all gone. Of the midfielders, Angel Di Maria and Adnan Januzaj will play their football away from Old Trafford while forwards Radamel Falcao, Javier Hernandez and Robin van Persie have also left.

That's seven departures in one transfer window. Eleven officially, for Tom Cleverley, Reece James, Saidy Janko and Nani -- all of whom spent some or all of 2014-15 on loan away from United -- also said "see-ya" over the summer.

Now, goalkeepers Sergio Romero and Sam Johnstone are in the first-team squad, while Matteo Darmian is in defence. Bastian Schweinsteiger and Morgan Schneiderlin have been added to the midfield and Memphis Depay and Anthony Martial have arrived to keep the number of forwards at four. Another deadline-day signing, Regan Poole, is expected to join the under-21 squad for a fee of £100,000. The 17-year-old central defender came from fourth-level Newport County, where he was watched by both United and Liverpool on Saturday.

The transfer window elicited mixed feelings among United fans. It opened promisingly as Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin were brought in alongside Depay and Darmian before the club's U.S. preseason tour.

However, it closed in farce with a deal incomplete for De Gea to leave and Keylor Navas to arrive. That was followed by Real Madrid and United releasing conflicting statements with their version of events. It was as amusing as it was unedifying, with fans' loyalties to the fore as they backed their club's version of events. De Gea could join Madrid in January, but by that time he's likely to be cup-tied in the Champions League, a competition Real Madrid are rather fond of.

The judgement of whether the transfer window has been successful will be made at the end of the season, but United spent £112.9 million and received £64.2m this summer -- a net spend of £48.7m. That's easily manageable for a club who will announce yet more lucrative sponsorship deals in the forthcoming weeks, although there's the smaller matter of human beings and their families being moved at the last minute, often against their wishes, which isn't as easily computed.

United are slick and successful in attracting sponsors, yet their transfer activity casts them in an unbecoming light. No football club gets exactly what they want in the transfer market, but while new signings excite fans -- especially those hopelessly obsessed with transfers -- United's transfer strategy is in danger of spinning too fast.

The image of the club's 2013 championship-winning team, with players who have since left greyed out, has become a familiar one on social media. Of the 43 people in that team photo, only nine remain at the club.

It's not just the players, either. Since the 2014 retirement of Rob Swire, aged only 52 (with 23 years at the club), United are on their fourth first-team physio. Several members of senior staff with 10, 20 and 30 years' experience have departed for any number of reasons. They announce that they're moving on to another challenge or that they'll consult for the club, usually for a year before they disappear into the ether.

The changes have been significant and the power base at the club is now largely consolidated in two decision makers: executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward and director Richard Arnold. They've been chiefly responsible for the club's outstanding commercial success, using methods that are being copied by others but they'll be judged largely by what happens on the pitch. After Monday's transfer shenanigans, several significant United people mentioned how much former chief executive David Gill was missed.

When Woodward took charge in 2013, he said that the current squad needed little "re-tooling." Nobody laughed. It may have been too corporate of a term, but the sentiment wasn't unreasonable given that United had just been crowned champions for a record 20th time.

The revisionism since from some fans, who claim that dead wood needed to be shifted, is disrespectful to a squad that was talented enough to win the league two years ago. Not 10 years ago, two. Indeed, as Gary Neville pointed out after Sunday's defeat at Swansea, are United really that much better off after spending the thick end of £250m since?

Of course changes were needed; they always are at any football club. Every club is in transition all of the time, for if they stand still they start to slide. Post-Sir Alex Ferguson United was not going to be easy for anyone because of the near-complete control he had at the club.

You can argue the merits of any of the departures, too. Take Januzaj for example. He was given three games by Van Gaal at the start of this season, and by the third in Belgium he'd done little to convince that he deserved a place in the side.

But is that enough in these days of snap judgements, when too many fans demand new players and the buzz of a signing? When the club go along with that and measure that brief euphoria in social-media clicks as if they somehow translate to winning a football game at Anfield or Aston Villa?

United fans like Danny Welbeck, Cleverley and Evans have all left. None were world class -- none pretended to be -- but they were talented enough to contribute to United's first team under Ferguson.

They were good professional players and good people too, who were brought through the club's youth system and didn't complain when they were among the lowest-paid players in the first-team. Clubs need such players and fans need to have patience for such players.

I recently interviewed another Mancunian Red, Tyler Blackett, and appealed for questions from United fans. Sadly, almost every one was negative. Blackett, who has joined Celtic on loan, is a grounded lad who was brought up two miles from Old Trafford in a working-class background and supported United when most of his mates were City fans. He came out of an area with significant social problems to be a credit to his family and community.

Maybe Blackett is not good enough to play for United's first-team long term, but then nor does the patience exist for him to get the chance needed by young players, particularly defenders, whose craft is learnt gradually through often bitter experience. The thinking seems to be that, if they don't impress after five minutes, sell them.

If the club listened to its fans, they'd have no players left. All would have been sold at one time or another in their career, from Roy Keane to Ryan Giggs. At least Ferguson stuck by players when they were getting pilloried by their own. He was the boss and that was that; he needed to make the unpopular decisions.

So does Van Gaal and he has. He may look back at the current turbulence and say it was necessary to move the club forward. He has the experience, CV and strength of personality to succeed, but he's had 50 games in charge and there have been only limited signs of improvement in areas like defence.

He has been indulged on many levels, had his wishes granted, spent the money on the players he wants. Now they have to improve. United still need to buy more players in key positions, but they need to slow down off the pitch and speed up on it.



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发表于 3-9-2015 08:53 AM | 显示全部楼层
tlsk 发表于 2-9-2015 10:23 PM
martial再贵,也不该直接去正选11人吧。。
我魔的Wilson都没有机会进入候补名单,他这小子能给他候补 ...

不一样
wilson是+2来之前就在球会了,martial是+2重金买来的,不用会给人笑的。。。
其实可以参考depay就算young上赛季翻身了,这赛季还是要让路
不能拉下毒瘤的情况下,herrera只能认命了。。
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发表于 3-9-2015 09:51 AM | 显示全部楼层
kcm0530 发表于 3-9-2015 08:53 AM
不一样
wilson是+2来之前就在球会了,martial是+2重金买来的,不用会给人笑的。。。
其实可以参考dep ...

赛季很漫长,很多比赛
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发表于 3-9-2015 11:27 AM | 显示全部楼层
欧冠注册名单。

('B' denotes those on player list B):

Goalkeepers: David De Gea, Sergio Romero, Sam Johnstone

Defenders: Phil Jones, Marcos Rojo, Chris Smalling, Luke Shaw, Guillermo Varela, Paddy McNair (B), Matteo Darmian

Midfielders: Michael Carrick, Daley Blind, Ashley Young, Ander Herrera, Nick Powell, Antonio Valencia, Marouane Fellaini, Morgan Schneiderlin, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Jesse Lingard, Andreas Pereira

Forwards: Memphis Depay, Juan Mata, Anthony Martial, Wayne Rooney, James Wilson (B)


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发表于 3-9-2015 11:34 AM | 显示全部楼层
对这次的转会不是很满意
这赛季这么多比赛要踢,万一受伤了怎么办???

说好的后卫呢???
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发表于 3-9-2015 12:21 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
曼联没给巴尔德斯在欧冠注册,英超名单也没他。那就只剩下解约一条路了
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发表于 3-9-2015 12:21 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
【阿斯报:弗洛伦蒂诺向纳瓦斯道歉】根据西班牙电视台《Cuatro》消息,今天早上老佛爷探访了皇马的训练基地Valdebebas,与纳瓦斯进行了长达2个小时的谈话。在如此之长的谈话中,推测老佛爷是向纳瓦斯表示了歉意,以安抚纳瓦斯的情绪,在接下来的比赛中心无旁骛。网页链接
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发表于 3-9-2015 12:55 PM | 显示全部楼层
天然夜行者 发表于 3-9-2015 08:17 AM
Another Manchester United transfer window full of squad turnoverBY ANDY MITTEN
At a news conference ...

If the club listened to its fans, they'd have no players left.
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:01 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
筷子 发表于 3-9-2015 12:21 PM
【阿斯报:弗洛伦蒂诺向纳瓦斯道歉】根据西班牙电视台《Cuatro》消息,今天早上老佛爷探访了皇马的训练基地 ...

暫時安撫,下個夏天又要被甩。

還不明白的話他就是傻孩子了
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:04 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
Aaran 发表于 3-9-2015 11:27 AM
欧冠注册名单。

Varela 期待下,Powell在中场人才济济的情况下板凳会穿
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:08 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
oldfishes 发表于 3-9-2015 01:01 PM
暫時安撫,下個夏天又要被甩。

還不明白的話他就是傻孩子了

明夏我们要买可能不大容易了。。。
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:29 PM | 显示全部楼层
藍倫 发表于 3-9-2015 01:04 PM
Varela 期待下,Powell在中场人才济济的情况下板凳会穿

varela。。。。是凑数的吧? 后卫人数太少了。。。。。他到现在还没号码呢。
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:30 PM | 显示全部楼层
Aaran 发表于 3-9-2015 11:27 AM
欧冠注册名单。

后卫少的可怜整体人数很少,+2是忘了上赛季的伤病史?
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:32 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
ftng 发表于 3-9-2015 01:29 PM
varela。。。。是凑数的吧? 后卫人数太少了。。。。。他到现在还没号码呢。

凑数成分高,三线作战有可能有机会,比起中场机会大多了,现在很怕防线有伤员出现。
租借回来后希望不会步小豆后尘
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
藍倫 发表于 3-9-2015 01:32 PM
凑数成分高,三线作战有可能有机会,比起中场机会大多了,现在很怕防线有伤员出现。
租借回来后希望不会 ...

放走小碗豆,小贾,evans,我明白。。。。

但放走blackett,然后用来了几年都没上过场的人来凑数。。。。。我就不理解了。
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:37 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
电讯报Mark Ogden:范加尔和伍德沃德让曼联在转会市场上存在感更强了,但有可能正在毁掉曼联历时多年建立起来的转会声誉。曼联在和拜仁皇马巴萨这些顶级俱乐部对手处理贝尔、穆勒、佩德罗等人的转会事宜时,不断的海口和不可预测性,可能让球星、其他俱乐部、大牌经纪人未来和曼联打交道时都要如履薄冰
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
藍倫 发表于 3-9-2015 01:04 PM
Varela 期待下,Powell在中场人才济济的情况下板凳会穿

应该是填爽的,最多只能希望在联赛杯出场。
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 天然夜行者 于 3-9-2015 01:52 PM 编辑
筷子 发表于 3-9-2015 12:21 PM
【阿斯报:弗洛伦蒂诺向纳瓦斯道歉】根据西班牙电视台《Cuatro》消息,今天早上老佛爷探访了皇马的训练基地 ...

害死Navas
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:51 PM | 显示全部楼层
天然夜行者 发表于 3-9-2015 01:30 PM
后卫少的可怜整体人数很少,+2是忘了上赛季的伤病史?

基本上每个位置都有2+的人选,有些 loan 应该有紧急 call back 条款。
年轻球员需要比赛,与其在队里坐着当某个位置的第三人选,租借出去也是训练培养的一种。
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发表于 3-9-2015 01:59 PM | 显示全部楼层
曼联 quota 多到要填不想用的球员,相反另一边 Chelsea 因为不够 quota,被逼将新买的后卫 Djilobodji 排除在欧冠名单之外。
难怪这样 desperate 要买户口本Stones。




如果是曼联发生这种事 恐怕这里的 “死忠资深” 球迷们又再骂不停了。

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参与人数 1人气 +3 收起 理由
lamp88 + 3 习惯了蛮久了。。

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