降血压降胆固醇的EDTA帮助亲人战胜心脏病的实战分享

jinreung

此话何讲？有没有证据？你家是开药房的吗？
byte77 发表于 27-2-2011 14:58

    EDTA本来就是用于验血时所用的tube中，主要是用来避免血液凝固而导致无法确认血小板的数量。
在EDTA罐子里，不管你放多久，血液也不会凝固。
若EDTA在体内太多的话，这样一来人的凝血程序被破坏，很容易就会流血。
你说这会不会七孔流血（我说七孔流血算没什么的了，如果在胃里、脑袋里也这样，那就真的唔衰羅嚟衰咯）。

PS：EDTA最主要的危险，还是肾衰竭和肝衰竭呢。。

byte77

PS：EDTA最主要的危险，还是肾衰竭和肝衰竭呢。。jinreung 发表于 27-2-2011 03:05 PM

The effect of intravenous EDTA therapy on chronic kidney disease

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDL/is_2_10/ai_n18616067/

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McDonagh Medical Center published three papers showing that intravenous EDTA treatments effected improvement in kidney function. The medical propagandists have been saying that EDTA chelation is toxic to the kidneys. Nothing could be further from the truth. Properly done, its probably one of the best treatments for most kidney disorders. It is significant that the "experts" had never seen a series of patient charts showing improvement, had not treated a patient with EDTA, but were sure it was toxic and dangerous. Contrast this attitude with their thinking that prescription anti-inflammatory drugs, which ruin untoward numbers of kidneys in this country, are acceptable to use.
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Laboratory measurements were performed every three months for an additional 24 months after the initial placebo or chelation therapy to document possible changes in renal function. The patients in the chelation group received repeated lead-chelation therapy with weekly infusions of 1 g of calcium disodium EDTA, as in the first three months, if their body lead burden, assessed every six months during this period, exceeded 60 [micro]g. Control patients received a placebo weekly for five weeks every six months during this period.

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药厂做的药更危险：
Prescription Drug Trends (September, 2000) reports a study that 12 new prescriptions are written every year for every person in the US. Almost a quarter million people are hospitalized each year because of prescription drug reactions.

jinreung

就是有太多像这种不学无术的人才会有医学真相被几句谎话掩盖。

看看真正EDTA对肾脏 ...
byte77 发表于 27-2-2011 15:00

    说起来，你所提供“实验阶段”的理论，相对来说更没有说服力。

byte77

说起来，你所提供“实验阶段”的理论，相对来说更没有说服力。
jinreung 发表于 27-2-2011 03:09 PM

我的说服力有医疗中心几个月的实验证实，你的说服力呢？
FYI我不是卖药的，网上自己就可以买EDTA了。

你为什么要糟蹋一个可以救人的便宜药方？

我亲人快70岁的老人家，吃了4个月了，没有七孔流血啊，那你不是在撒谎吗？
你是不是无根诽谤？

jinreung

我的说服力有医疗中心几个月的实验证实，你的说服力呢？
FYI我不是卖药的，网上自己就可以买EDTA了。 ...
byte77 发表于 27-2-2011 15:11

    现在你那个实验有没有说服力还言之过早。
等那个实验真正结束的时侯再说是否有说服力吧。
你那么喜欢当白老鼠，那就继续当吧。
PS：当吃到有什么问题的时侯千万别跑来医院。

byte77

现在你那个实验有没有说服力还言之过早。
等那个实验真正结束的时侯再说是否有说服力吧。
jinreung 发表于 27-2-2011 03:16 PM

The effect of intravenous EDTA therapy on chronic kidney disease
Original Internist, June, 2003 by Edward W. McDonagh

oh come on, 那个2003年publish的report,为期24个月的实验，你说是结束了吗？

你有上过大学吗？你是先写报告才开始做研究的？

PS：当吃到有什么问题的时侯千万别跑来医院。jinreung 发表于 27-2-2011 03:16 PM

等你中年了去医院检查心脏时，我还在家里翘脚。

jinreung

oh come on, 那个2003年publish的report,为期24个月的实验，你说是结束了吗？
需要我教你数学吗？   
...
byte77 发表于 27-2-2011 15:17

很好，那把他们发表的论文放上来吧。。
至少新英格兰医疗杂志和英国医疗杂志都没有任何相关的论文。
（如果真的那么厉害，早就在这两家杂志里头刊登出来了）

byte77

至少新英格兰医疗杂志和英国医疗杂志都没有任何相关的论文。
（如果真的那么厉害，早就在这两家杂志里头刊登出来了）
jinreung 发表于 27-2-2011 03:23 PM

网上很多关于EDTA的政治背景，你可以查查。
我可以挑战你，我每天吃EDTA，看是不是真的七孔流血。
这个可以把医学界现在与未来从制造各种patented药到卖药的大量利润灭绝的东西，花大把金钱做实验又不能被patent赚钱的东西，你说会在这些权威杂志上登出来吗？谁要为20块钱的东西的广告费买单？

jinreung

网上很多关于EDTA的政治背景，你可以查查。
我可以挑战你，我每天吃EDTA，看是不是真的七孔流血。
这个可以把医学界现在与未来从制造各种patented药到卖药的大量利润灭绝的东西，花大把金钱做实验又不能被patent赚钱的东西，你说会在这些权威杂志上登出来吗？谁要为20块钱的东西的广告费买单？

byte77 发表于 27-2-2011 15:36

    过不了验证就说政治影响，你也太天真去相信这些人的借口。（一般自然疗法人的心态）
如果真的那么好，那些药厂为什么不直接取得专利，垄断市场，这样利润将会更雄厚。
（PS：别说药厂不可能这样取得专利；中药中的青蒿素就是很明显的例子）

byte77

过不了验证就说政治影响，你也太天真去相信这些人的借口。（一般自然疗法人的心态）

jinreung 发表于 27-2-2011 04:53 PM

你真的是不学无术只会摇旗呐喊。


EDTA的验证，在欧美民间已经有很多验证了，为什么你不去搜索一下？教你啦，google找edta testimonials
例如： http://www.wonderlabs.com/edtatestimonials.php
药厂会为了一个没有patent fee可以收的东西去做验证，而且之后自己所制的药物都会被自己验证过的EDTA打败，那不是更不符合药厂和股东的利益？如果你是药厂老板，你会那么蠢吗？

如果真的那么好，那些药厂为什么不直接取得专利，垄断市场，这样利润将会更雄厚。jinreung 发表于 27-2-2011 04:53 PM

EDTA的Patent期限已经超过了，没有人可以收patent fee了。

http://www.smart-publications.com/articles/view/oral-chelation-the-strongest-natural-treatment-for-your-heart-arteries/

EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid) is an amino acid. It was synthesized in Germany in 1935, and first patented in the U.S. in 1941. Chelation therapy itself can be understood simply as the removal of calcium deposits (from your arteries, where you don't want them) and other harmful minerals that promote blood clotting and atherosclerosis.

But neither the FDA nor the AMA acknowledges that chelation appears to be one of the most powerful—yet least expensive … and safest—treatments for heart disease in existence. The bottom line: chelation therapy, which costs only $2,000 to $4,000 per course—represents a significant threat to one of the largest income streams for conventional practitioners. Clearly, if EDTA chelation had a large pharmaceutical company advocating its use … it would, at the very least, be integrated into the standard, AMA-approved treatment for heart disease. But the patent for EDTA ran out nearly 30 years ago. No patent means no profits. And if the medical industry can't profit from chelation … this safe, inexpensive, powerful treatment … it may as well not exist.

byte77

美国医生对EDTA的验证（1）
http://www.edtachelationtherapyclinic.com/information.php?info_id=3

@ Norman E. Clark, Sr., M.D., cardiologist ,Birmingham, Michigan , at California Medical Association’s advisory panel :
       
“After all these years and with all that experience, I am just as certain as can be that EDTA chelation therapy is the best treatment that has ever been brought out for occlusive vascular disease.” (6)

        @ Dr. Hohnbaum’s Diabetic ulcers and gangrene of the feet were cured after two months’s chelation therapy by Yiwen Y. Tang, M.D. F. A. B. F. P. The Diabetic gangrene had been diagnosed as irreversible, and amputation had been scheduled. (6)

@ Reynolds Hall of Melbourne, Florida lost his vision of left eye from a childhood accident. At the age of fifty five, he lost his vision of right eye . Hall suffered severe arteriosclerosis and had had his left leg amputated. His right eye vision returned to 20/15 after receiving chelation therapy from his family physician, Robert Rogers, M.D. (6).


        @Judith Normant of Tulsa, Oklahoma, daughter of Mrs. Nancy Curtis, 80 years old with Senile Dementia, had her mother receive chelation therapy from Charles H. Farr, M.D., Ph. D. of Oklahom City, Oklahoma from jund 5, 1974 to July 11, 1974.


Judith Normant reported that she witnessed all kinds of improvement in her mother’s behavior during that time.

The old woman again recognized loved ones and friends. She became aware of her surroundings.

Immediately Mrs. Curtis became continent during the day and also stopped voiding in bed, since at night she was able to navigate from here bedroom to the bathroom.

Instead of lingering in night clothes, she rose in the morning and got dressed for the day.

Her personality turned cheerful, and short-term memory returned so that she began once again to speak of recent events, people she had met, and current holidays to celebrate. She started telling jokes with a quick wit and a ready laugh.

Cooking and recipes became her occupation once more; Judith took the woman on auto drives and shopping excursions to the supermarket-the first time in two years that Mrs. Curtis had engaged in this activity.


        @The following patients of E.J. Monte, M.D. testified (medical director of the El Cajon Medical Center, El Cajon, California ) (8).

Alice Bradshaw of Jamul, California : “After being treated with many drugs that either made me ill or were not effective, my diastolic blood pressure was as high as 130. After eight chelation treatments it has dropped as low as 80 “

R.R. Allen of El Cajon, California: “My chest pain is gone and I feel a lot better after taking the chelation therapy. I have no pain or shortness of breath any more. My eyesight is also much improved. “

Herb R. Carlson of Rancho Mirage, California: “ All during these years I was under the constant care of qualified physicians who used the same type of medications and treatments over and over again. Yet I became progressively worse. The I was faced with heart surgery, also four years ago. At no time was I ever encouraged to do something on my own to lower my blood pressure. No one told me that something the chelation therapy could effectively control my angina and atherosclerosis.
Today thanks to chelation therapy, at he advanced age of 74years, I enjoy a vigorous life, more activity, better health, and work every day traveling in sales around Southern California.
This chelation treatment has put new life in me.

Reverend Al Connell, the chaplain at El Cajon Valley Hospital : “ In September 1978, I had four different cardiologists diagnose angina pectoris with 80 percent blockage of my coronary arteries. All four recommended potential bypass considerations. One of the cardiologists told me about chelation therapy and, even though he had taken the treatment for his own angina, could not openly recommend it.
I then proceeded to have chelation treatment any way, under my own advisement.
This approach produced relief after only six treatments. By relief I refer to no more chest pains.
This allowed me to cut my medications down 75 percent and ultimately 100 percent. After thirty five treatments (by July 1, 1983), I am able to perform 85 percent of my normal work without pain”


        @The following patients of Roberto Tostado MD testified

"My 73 y.o father-in-law lives in the Philippines and was scheduled for bypass surgery of his lower extremities due to claudication from severe peripheral vascular disease from a long history of smoking, diabetes, hypertension and elevated cholesterol. I learned about chelation therapy 5 years ago and the benefits compared to surgery. He arrived to Los Angeles after discussing this therapy and initiated chelation immediately three times a week for six months. The treatment regimen was comfortable and after completion of the six month therapy he stated feeling as if he had been given a new body of a thirty year old. He no longer felt pain or fatigue walking and his energy level had increased substantially. Because of his chelation therapy he most probably avoided amputation of his lower extremities and significantly improved his circulation throughout his body. My father-in-law continues to do well without symptoms considering his chelation therapy was given 4 years ago without need for any surgery.
Thank you,

Roberto Tostado MD
1492 West Colorado Blvd. Suite B
Pasadena, CA 91105
Tel # 626-564-0300
Fax # 626-564-0301

Nov. 17, 2008 "



@ I (Dr. Terry Chappell) had a positive exercise stress test and saw a cardiologist. The recommendation was that I get angiography and be eveluated as to whether bypass surgery would be needed. I took a standard course of Chelation Therapy and gradually increased my exercise tolerance. One year later, I was able to run 18 miles without stopping and without chest pains! (11).

L. Terry Chappell, M.D.. was in private practive in Bluffton, Ohio (as of 1994). He was the President of the American College for Advancement of Medicine (ACAM) and was Assistant Professor of Family Practice at Wright State School of Medicine.

byte77

美国医生对EDTA的验证（2）
http://www.chelationstory.com/doctor_testimonials.htm
I started researching chelation therapy in 1970. At that time there was no information super highway and very little information on the subject of chelation therapy. My first book I found was "Bypassing Bypass" published in 1984 and "Forty Something Forever:"  published in 1992. These books offered a great deal of helpful information and a few sources.

I could not find any real information on chelation therapy through the 70's and then in 1980 I had a big flare up of circulation problems and started again to research but still the information was just not there. Somewhere around 1990 I found the books and in 1992 found a doctor to start.

And now there is even more information and of course the world wide web has information on most ever subject now. Below is information reprinted from Dr. Clif Arrington M.D. site located in Kealakekua, Hawaii. You can also use these doctors as a source of information and chelation therapy. In early 2009 a lady called after reading this site but did not know where to go to get medical advice and information. She was from California and just happened to be just down the road from Dr. Julian Whitakers clinic. He is a very big propionate of chelation therapy. She has just called back and is starting therapy there now. Ain't the web great??

Dr. Dan Roehm, of Pompano Beach, Florida, Chief of the Department of Medicine at Broward General Hospital, certified as a diplomat of the American Board of Internal Medicine and a Fellow of the American College of Physicians, is a prime example of how a good doctor reacts once his interest is high enough to do his own first hand chelation research rather than just accept blindly the medical party line.

Dr. Roehm was a main-stream cardiologist until his wife began exhibiting symptoms characteristic of subclinical mini-strokes, any one of which might one day escalate into a full-blown fatal attack or disabilitating episode.

"I had nothing to offer; there was nothing I could do to ward off what I saw on the horizon." Roehm realized, and so began his urgent search for some way to forestall the looming calamity. Once he discovered EDTA, he tried it. When it restored his wife's health, Dr. Roehm added chelation and other alternative treatments to his practice - and says it's "more satisfying than doing the drug-and-surgery oriented medicine I was practicing before."

Dr. Grant Born of Grand Rapids, Michigan, became involved with chelation to save himself. He was just forty-three, with no previous history of heart disease, when he went into cardiac arrest while attending a football game.

"My heart just stopped," he recalls. "They revived me, got me to the Mayo Clinic, where the doctors agreed I needed bypass surgery - perhaps a heart transplant. While I was wrestling with this news, a guy walks into my room with a book about chelation therapy and asks, 'Do you know anything about this?' It was like somebody sent him.

"What I read convinced me. I went for treatments. After chelation saved my life, I really got interested."

Dr. Born speaks from experience when he admits there are social as well as professional pressures NOT to practice chelation.

"My first wife was dead-set against my getting mixed up with a controversial therapy. Even though EDTA helped me survive, she argued against it when I wanted to do it. She worried her reputation with the country club set would be wrecked if word got our that I was practicing 'quack-style' medicine."

Dr. Born resolved his problem. He changed specialties and wives.

The new Mrs. Born (Dr. Tammy) has no hangups about chelation - she works at his side.

Dr. Jack R. Vinton, of Dallas, Texas was a 'young' forty-two years of age, when he was told he only had two or three years to live, perhaps five on the outside.

"I had a serious heart condition - arrhythmia, angina, posterior infarction and had gone into congestive failure. Conventional medicine didn't have much to offer, except the common symptom-relieving drugs.

"I couldn't work. It was bad. There I was, with a wife and two teenagers, forced to retire to a quiet backwater community in the Arizona desert and prepare for the end. While i was waiting for the coroner to call, I did a lot of reading, and an article headlined 'Doctors in California using Chelation Therapy for Heart Disease' caught my attention.

"I was on the next plane to find out what it was all about - and one week later, back in Arizona with enough EDTA to treat myself, began therapy. Two months, and thirty treatments after that, I was well enough to discard all my drugs, get back on my feet, and return to work."

That was in 1970. Dr. Vinson is still in practice, still chelating himself, and all others for whom he deems it to be a suitable treatment.

Dr. Kirk Morgan, director of the Morgan Clinic, wrote an article about myocardial ischemia treated with nutrients and chelation therapy. He used the following criteria: patients had to have the presence of exercise induced angina pectoris, stress induced EKG proof of disease and refusal to submit to coronary artery bypass surgery. He found that marked EKG abnormalities became normal and symptoms were relieved over 15 months (about 40 treatments).

byte77

美国医生对EDTA的验证（3）
http://www.chelationstory.com/doctor_testimonials_2.htm
Here are more doctor testimonials. It is both surprising and great that so many MD's are now not afraid to put their name on a testimonial or a patient use testimonial. I really wish I could have found this information as far back as the 1970's when medical practioeers started to get this information out with more vigor. It could have very well saved me over 20 years of aggravation.

Letter to Editor of Clinical Practice of Alternative Medicene by a practicing bypass surgeon.

John Ettl, M.D., an El Paso, Texas chelationist, was also his own first EDTA patient. A rock hobbyist, he discovered he was suffering near-fatal levels of lead toxicity thanks to his hobby of casting unusual specimens.

"I had all the usual symptoms - irritability, anxiety, and temper, sleeplessness, forgetfulness, mental disorientation, blurred vision and poor hearing but thought they were age-related problems, though I was only in my mid-50's.

"Fortunately for me, Dr. Harold Harper, a pioneer doctor in this field, convinced me it was lead poisoning - not mid-life crisis - and told me to read up on the treatment of choice, chelation. As a pathologist, I was extremely wary of the potential dangers, and went about it very cautiously.

"I began slowly, but eventually gave myself over 200 treatments before I got my lead levels down to normal. By that time, i was symptom-free, and a chelation expert."

Dr. John Parks Trowbridge in Humble, Texas, learned about chelation therapy from is 70-year old father who'd read about it in a health magazine. The elder Trowbridge wanted his son to look into EDTA because he'd suffered an aortic aneurysm and had other serious circulatory problems.

Young John, just emerging from a surgical residency in urology, responded predictably. "Forget it. it's quackery. if it was any good, wouldn't I have heard of it? Wouldn't the medical journals publish reports on a marvelous way to reverse atherosclerosis? Wouldn't doctors be using it?"

It wasn't until several years later that Dr. Trowbridge, a bit older - a lot wiser - was embarrassed to remember those hasty, cocky words. His parents had grown older, too - and sicker when a chance meeting with physician/nutritionist/chelationist Robert Haskell, M.D. encouraged him to take a second look. What Dr. Haskell showed Dr. Trowbridge amazed him - medical records of recovered patients whose test readings and clinical exams proved beyond doubt how much they'd benefited from chelation treatments.

Still only partially convinced, Dr. Trowbridge flew from one chelation clinic to another to check things out - to Alabama, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, California. He made dozens of stops in as many cities, as he criss-crossed the country in search of more data.

"Every chelation doctor I visited was so enthusiastic about what he was doing, and so eager to open his patient files, I could no longer question effectiveness. Cabinets full of case histories clearly showed chelation therapy was a revolutionary method for overcoming degenerative disease. It blew my mind!"

No question as to Dr. Trowbridge's motives when he changed from critic to advocate. The first patients he chelated were Claire and Jack Trowbridge, his mom and dad.

Dr. Harold Huffman of Hinton, Virginia, is another doctor whose first chelation patient was good old dad.

"It was 1982, and my father, 70 years old at the time, was a diabetic, suffering from diabetic retinopathy, and had already lost one foot because of gangrene and was facing the loss of the other. A physician himself, he knew the prognosis was not good. I called a nurse in Indiana who knew a lot about alternative medicine, and asked her what we could do. She recommended chelation and I say 'what's that?'

"She filled me in on the fine details. I learned how to do it, and while I wasn't convinced it was any good, knew it was dad's only hope of avoiding a second amputation.

"Talk about reluctant - I don't remember which one of us had more qualms, him or me. But we sure went into it with our fingers crossed - and were more surprised than anyone when the treatments worked. it saved his remaining leg - even restored his eyesight - and he continued practicing medicine for five more years."

Dr. Ronald Hoffman of New York City, an outspoken advocate of holistic medicine, looked into chelation after having dinner with a talkative nurse.

"Throughout the meal, this lady regaled me with tales of miracle cures: patients who'd been brought back from the brink of death and were now symptom-free and one hard-to-believe story after another about people whose legs had been saved from amputation. I couldn't get her to talk about anything else.

"I thought, either this dame's a nut - or chelation is worth a closer look. I decided to investigate and discovered everything this lady said was the absolute truth. That was nine years ago, and I've been practicing chelation ever since."

Skeptical from the outset, Dr. Terry Chappell of Blufton, Ohio, latched onto chelation after listening carefully to what people told him.

"I was nagged into it (chelation) by a patient," he admits, telling about "an important local honcho. This executive of a very large corporation had been traveling for more than 11 hours each way to get chelation treatments from the nearest doctor he could find. Since he didn't want to spend all that time on the road, he kept after me, pestering me every other day to insist I check it out.

"I wasn't terribly interested, but I wasn't hopelessly doctrinaire, either. I was mildly curious about nutrition, meditation, hypnosis - things like that. This guy was so persistent, I gave in, and visited several chelation doctors. Once I checked things out, I had no choice. Chelation works and here I am."

David Freeman, M.D. of North Hollywood, California is yet another non-believer who was dragged into chelation, protesting all the way that he could NOT get involved with quackery.

"A dozen years ago, I'd have sworn this chelation was a bunch of garbage. I was well up on the conventional medical literature, and believed what I read: 'no proven value', 'fraudulent claims', 'anecdotal evidence from unreliable source'. Who needed it!

"As it turned out, many of my patients thought THEY needed it - a lot. One after another, they began bugging me to look into it. I turned thumbs down.

"Then, as luck would have it, an old medical school chum visited me. I knew this guy was a solid scholar, totally reliable with a sterling intellect and unquestionably ethical. We'd interned together, and I'd trust this doc with my life. When he started praising chelation, spinning astonishing tales of miracle cures, I just had to listen. Since then, I've learned a lot - about chelation, and what it means to be labeled a 'quack'.

When we asked Dr. Irby Fox of Abilene, Texas how he came to choose chelation as a treatment, he said, "It was an accident. A patient who had a bypass that failed, was in pretty bad shape, and begged me to chelate him.

"I hedged a lot. I don't know anything about this, I told him. But I'll check it out, and if that's what you want, I'll do it, provided you sign an agreement that if your wife, kids or their relatives sue, I can use your estate to defend myself.

"I was being pretty cautious, but once I got started, I couldn't stop. This first guy got well; the next chelated patient did also. It's incredible. I really didn't want to get interested in anything so controversial - I'm no hero. The real heroes are the patients who insist on being chelated despite all the bad things their doctors say about it.

Dr. John Schwent of Festus, Missouri was a conservative main-stream physician until he lost several young patients only a short time after undergoing bypass surgery.

"It was frustrating," he recalls, "to send thirty- and forty year-olds off for bypasses only to have them die in a couple of years."

Then Mrs. Schwent's best friend, an attorney, began having angina attacks and instead of bypass surgery, opted for chelation treatments and the results were fantastic. He got well!

"I got a book about chelation and sat us all night reading it. One of my classmates, a Chuck Curtis, was mentioned in the book, so I called him. 'Are you practicing this voodoo medicine?' He laughed and said, 'For eight years now' and when I asked him, 'Killed anyone yet?' he got serious and replied, 'No, but if you've got two weeks to spare, I can use ever minute telling you great stories about the lives I've saved.'

"I wound up spending an entire year visiting chelation clinics all over the United States. Then I took the ACAM course and still didn't give the first treatment. I was very reluctant to get into it. I knew that introducing chelation into my practice would jeopardize my professional standing, and perhaps lead to my being ostracized. In spite of it all, I had to go ahead. I wouldn't be honest to know how to cure people and refuse to do it."

byte77

美国医生对EDTA的验证（4）



Dr. James Swann of Independence is a "show me, I'm from Missouri" sort of physician.

"I first heard about chelation in 1973 at a Jackson County Medical Society meeting when a Dr. Paul Williams, the author of two medical textbooks, tried to educate us on its usefulness for atherosclerosis. Nobody in the room knew anything about it - we couldn't even spell it.

"The lecture over, I hung around to chat with Paul, and it surprised me to learn that the American Journal of Cardiology had published favorable reports on this treatment. It bothered me that almost no one was following up, investigating, or using it." Dr. Swann's movement of decision came when a close friend whose triple bypass had failed (all three grafts had closed) only four months after surgery, came to visit. She'd been sent home to die, but had heard of chelation and there she and her husband sat, in Dr. Swann's living room, begging for the treatment.

"'Lill,' I said 'I sure would like a better cause than you to practice on. You're going to die on me, and we'll all look bad.'

"She was a spunky rascal. When she said, 'I'd rather die trying, than die doing nothing,' she got to me. I said 'OK. If you're willing, I am.'

"We started her out on three chelation treatments a week. That was twenty years ago, and she's alive today and still going strong. That's the case that brought me around."

It would be hard to find a more conservative physician than Dr. Conrad ("Connie") Maulfair, Jr. of Mertztown, Pennsylvania. A farm boy and Pennsylvania Dutchman, reared in the lad of the Amish, you can imagine his reaction when a patient brought him an article about chelation in a holistic-type magazine published - where else? - in California. He snorted. He sneered. He said, "What can you expect from those west coast loonies?" He dismissed the idea without a second thought. But then came a second, third, fourth patient - all asking questions about chelation, all bringing books and articles, or as Connie put it, "telling tall tales."

True to his heritage, Dr. M refused to be "pushed." For six years, he shrugged the subject off, before coming around to investigate for himself. That was ten years ago, and now he not only treats patients, he trains other doctors how to administer EDTA infusions properly.

Dr. Milton Fried of Atlanta, Georgia, insists that he never set out to be a rebel.

"I'm very thin-skinned and hate doing anything than exposes me to criticism - BUT - on the other hand, I'd feel worse not doing what I know to be best for patients.

"I was a resident in a New York hospital when a patient with a blue leg and gangrene of the toes and foot, was scheduled for amputation. When he told us he was going to get chelated instead, we warned him that it was bunk, and advised against it. He got chelated anyhow, and weeks later came back with the leg healed, and just lorded it over us.

"The other docs ignored the whole thing, but I thought 'Hey, wait a minute. There's something to this.' I started studying chelation. That was the easy part. Working up the chutzpah to do it was tough. I knew it meant parting company with the 'respectable' docs, taking a lot of flack, jeopardizing my reputation and income. It was a hard decision - but I had to do it.

"I've never been sorry. I got a lot of 'nachis' - that's Yiddish for 'pride and satisfaction." I'll tell you what makes me mad - all the doctors who come to me for chelation when they get sick - or send their wives, friends, relatives - and never let it be known. They tell me, "I wish I had your nerve." I tell them they're gutless wonders."

Dr. Gerald Parker of Amarillo, Texas, says Dr. Fried is the perfect example of chelation doctors who should be proud to be called 'quacks'.

"There's a fine breed of 'Quacks' - they're the rare medical birds who are not satisfied with what they're taught in medical school and are willing to explore new approaches. These 'quacks' become frustrated when they can't help a patient recover, and they look for a better way."

jinreung

你真的是不学无术只会摇旗呐喊。


EDTA的验证，在欧美民间已经有很多验证了，为什么你不去搜索一下 ...
byte77 发表于 27-2-2011 18:32

说了一大堆，到最后还是没有确实有效的clinical trials和其证据证明其有效性。。
找来几个不知名的某某权威（都不知道其权威性是否有效的）说几句话就以为可以带过。。
说什么2003年，过后又说什么30－40年代，兜个大圈还是回到原点，内容空洞，都不知道你在说什么。
如果真的那么有效，那么好用，30－40年代可以用（我不认同真的可以用），为什么现在又不用？
有听过Penicillin这咚咚吗？1928年发现的，现在2011年还在用
Paracetamol，马来西亚人所认识的panadol（1886年发现acetanilide；1947年确定paracetamol是其主要成分）世界所有药物中公认最少副作用的咚咚，最便宜，也最不能赚钱的其中一种药物，历史也是蛮悠久，为什么还在用？
Aspirin，1853年的产物，也是其中一种最便宜的药物之一，现在还在用，为什么？
以上这些药物都是其中最便宜的药物之一，最不能赚钱，为什么现在药厂还是大量生产？
你真以为所有人都是白痴么？

byte77

说了一大堆，到最后还是没有确实有效的clinical trials和其证据证明其有效性。。
找来几个不知名的某某 ...
jinreung 发表于 27-2-2011 07:16 PM

呵呵，都说了，美国每年有很多人在做EDTA治疗，你怎么前不搭后的呢？
跟aspirin/paracetamol 一样，EDTA很多药厂都有在卖啊，只是功能只能放“除去有毒重金属”。
唉，只是它们的确是不能让你七孔流血啊，因为它们对人体无害的确有帮助的。

jinreung

呵呵，都说了，美国每年有很多人在做EDTA治疗，你怎么前不搭后的呢？
byte77 发表于 27-2-2011 22:57

    有数据吗？
很多人是指多少人？
治疗？在治疗什么？
治疗重金属中毒，但就是没有人去治疗你所说的那些东西。

jinreung

PS：你可不可以有话一次过说到完，别整天编辑来编辑去，害到我眼花缭乱又要配合你编辑来编辑去。

byte77

有数据吗？
很多人是指多少人？
治疗？在治疗什么？
jinreung 发表于 27-2-2011 11:00 PM

很累嘞，你也不搜索一下， 搜索出来的结果你又不信还要跟我抬杠，好像全世界的人都骗了你一样。
http://www.vaxa.com/chelation-treatment.cfm

It is believed that chelation treatment was first used in the 1940s by the U.S. Navy to treat those suffering with lead poisoning. Since then, it is estimated that every year 1 million people in the United States receive a chelation treatment.

http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=95RQkiCxTGEC&lpg=PA145&ots=r0B_K0TcZS&dq=million%20people%20receive%20edta%20chelation%20every%20year&pg=PA145#v=onepage&q&f=false
Half a million people in the United States undergo chelation therapy every year,

jinreung

很累嘞，你也不搜索一下， 搜索出来的结果你又不信还要跟我抬杠，好像全世界的人都骗了你一样。


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byte77 发表于 27-2-2011 23:04

你的citation本来就非常有问题，叫我怎么信你？
人家说什么就信什么，我可不象你。
你一直要放这些不切实的数据，我也没办法，只是别当我白痴。