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NOKIA N8 讨论区 (47楼小弟开箱图)

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发表于 17-5-2010 09:22 PM | 显示全部楼层
以上是某中国网站拿到的N8测试机,不过时间有限,不能有太多评语,只是大约说明N8操作速度满意 ...
ben小喇叭 发表于 16-5-2010 10:37 PM

我相信S^3的系统还在改进当中。。。相信会有更多惊喜。。。
至于那两张照片。。。很明显镜头是有手印了。。。
而且他们手中的N8应该不是FINAL VERSION的。。。
那照片的地方应该是在新加坡。。。哈哈。。
身边有很多朋友开始对N8期待了。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 17-5-2010 09:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
其实现在大家都很期待!期待快点上市!,不过据我所知,连印度都要10月才上市,谁知道马来西亚几时上市呢?连马来西亚NOKIA都没有N8的踪影,希望NOKIA快点UPDATE下~,话说以现在测试机都能有这样的成绩,让人更期待上市版的表现~
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发表于 18-5-2010 08:19 AM | 显示全部楼层
有谁知道如果买zitron的话,是否在哪里都可以claim warranty 呢?
比如在大马买,能不能在新加坡claim warranty?
或在香港买,万一有问题的话能不能在大马claim warranty?
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发表于 18-5-2010 06:54 PM | 显示全部楼层
我好像听人说过
电话带到别的国家就等于 ap 了
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 楼主| 发表于 18-5-2010 10:23 PM | 显示全部楼层
应该是没有WARRANTY的,我姐上次从香港买回来的手机,这里没有保家的~
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发表于 19-5-2010 08:25 AM | 显示全部楼层
我好像听人说过
电话带到别的国家就等于 ap 了
velhart 发表于 18-5-2010 06:54 PM
应该是没有WARRANTY的,我姐上次从香港买回来的手机,这里没有保家的~
ben小喇叭 发表于 18-5-2010 10:23 PM


啊。。。那去香港买的计划泡汤了 ~.~
(本来想若8月在大马还没出的话就在香港看看出了没)
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发表于 19-5-2010 09:30 AM | 显示全部楼层
卡贴了?
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发表于 20-5-2010 01:51 AM | 显示全部楼层
話説n8正式發佈后不到三個月就會被自己的小弟x9打敗
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发表于 20-5-2010 08:20 AM | 显示全部楼层
科技的东西,追都追不完的啦~
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发表于 20-5-2010 07:17 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 velhart 于 20-5-2010 07:26 PM 编辑
科技的东西,追都追不完的啦~
stanley851 发表于 20-5-2010 08:20 AM


支持这句话
以前我买电脑也是这样
结果买了4年都买不到电脑

不过我还在迟疑是否该等到 n98 发布后再决定,
(不懂有没有 xenon flash,如果有的话可能考虑,因为一直希望玩有 qwerty keyboard 的机)
那是大概又杀出个 x9 了吧
(刚看了 leak info ,x9 没有 xenon flash   ==||| )
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发表于 21-5-2010 02:05 AM | 显示全部楼层
x9是音乐手机,我觉得音乐手机要xenonflash应该还要多几年才有这个可能.....主要是再升级音乐方面吧...如果nokia的音乐电话可以做到像以前的motorola E398这样好就好..打bass出来好料
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发表于 21-5-2010 10:18 AM | 显示全部楼层
X9 又没有得到官方确实.........=..=
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发表于 21-5-2010 10:35 AM | 显示全部楼层
rm1500 我切!!!
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发表于 21-5-2010 10:40 AM | 显示全部楼层
外星版的 iphone killer.

x9 看来可能性不大
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发表于 21-5-2010 11:53 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 velhart 于 21-5-2010 12:00 PM 编辑

当初 n8 info leak 时我也是这样想
还仙他那根螺丝  
x9 背后的 design 与 x6 和 c6 有点像
所以那张图我还是70% 相信的
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发表于 21-5-2010 02:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
让你们心痒痒一下 http://detail.zol.com.cn/cell_phone/index224440.shtml
中国的网站报价参数了3300人民币
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发表于 21-5-2010 02:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
回复 235# velhart

上网看到人家说x9 跑symbian^4,1ghz,3.7inch AMOled,32gb,12mp LEDflash,HDMI,照片还看到相机镜头上面2个ledflash,下面2个ledflash...真的假的哦 - -写到这样牛,如果没有图像加速器可以拿去丢了....haha
   
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发表于 21-5-2010 07:26 PM | 显示全部楼层
回复  velhart
上网看到人家说x9 跑symbian^4,1ghz,3.7inch AMOled,32gb,12mp LEDflash,HDMI,照片还看到相机镜头上面2个ledflash,下面2个ledflash...真的假的哦 - -写到这样牛,如果没有图像加速器可以拿去丢了....haha
joven0901 发表于 21-5-2010 02:40 PM


不过没有 xenon flash
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发表于 21-5-2010 07:43 PM | 显示全部楼层
以下是国外gsmarena与Nokia Senior Manager针对n8的对话:
Still photography

GSMArena: Damian, our team has always had a soft spot for capable cameraphones so we'd love to learn some more technical details about the N8 camera. Nokia N8 marketing materials are staking a lot on the large sensor size so let's start with that. We've been trying to guess the exact size, but it would be nice to hear it from you as an official source.

Damian Dinning: The optical format is quoted as 1/1.83".


GSMArena: Nokia N8 makes use of a wide angle lens (28mm in its case) much like the Nokia N86 8MP. It's superior for group shots and landscapes but not so good for portraits due to the characteristic geometric distortion of this type of lens. Any particular reason to go for the wide angle lens instead of a regular 35mm one?

D. Dinning: When we were originally developing the camera module for the Nokia N86 8MP our aim was to create something which would be more suited to spontaneous, 24/7, modern photography. Given the wide range of environments these devices are used, it was our belief that the wide-angle capabilities of a 28mm lens would provide greater creativity but also greater convenience. Furthermore, there are a few additional benefits when using wide-angle lenses. For example, greater depth of field. We take full advantage of this when recording HD video.

With reference to distortion, geometrically speaking, distortion is extremely low. Generally speaking telephoto lenses are preferred over wide-angle lenses for providing extreme close-up portraits not just because of the perspective but also for allowing you to shoot further away from your subject. In this regard whilst perhaps not to quite the same degree 35mm suffers similar constraints to 28mm. When shooting at normal shooting distances with the low geometric distortion we believe it's still possible to take natural shots of people.

GSMArena: The xenon flash on the Nokia N8 should make it an equally capable shooter in the dark. While the sensor size obviously can match those of dedicated digital cameras, what about the xenon flash range and performance? Can you quote the flash guide number for us?

D. Dinning: As with any product we have to balance numerous different aspects based on many other influencing factors. A dedicated digital camera has the luxury of many more cubic centimetres than a mobile manufacturer has to play with. We have to squeeze into less space than dedicated cameras many more components e.g. antennas, mass memory, larger displays, larger loudspeakers, more connectivity options, larger battery, GPS, BT to name just a few. Each and every component gets scrutinized down to fractions of mm, often down to hundredths of a mm when creating the most competitive product we can.

Capacitors in a mobile are relatively huge compared to many other components. We're still optimizing the low light performance right now so I can't give quote specific claims of subject distance at this stage but I can say that the flash power is roughly comparable to that provided by the Nokia N82 despite this new flash module being approximately 30% smaller than the module used in the Nokia N82. Having said this I do expect the usable flash range to be greater than that of the Nokia N82 thanks mainly to advances in the sensor sensitivity over recent years.

GSMArena: One of the most frequent user regrets that we see in our comments section is that the Nokia N8 lacks any sort of protective lens cover. Any words on that? Why didn't the design team stick one there and make everybody happy?

D. Dinning: This is a very important point that we have taken very seriously. With the Nokia N8, we need to balance the capability of the entire product, not just the camera but also the size and design. Adding a lens cover, whether it be manual or automatic would have increased the size of the raised area around the camera, especially with regard to thickness) There would also have been an impact to the foot print of that area as there are other components in that area. Such as, flash capacitor, loudspeaker and one of the stereo digital microphones. The cover glass itself is multi-coated and is heavily scratch resistance. It passes Nokia's tumble test and other associated durability tests which you and your readers may have seen in the past.

Furthermore, there are more and more applications becoming available which use the main camera, such as Facebook and augmented reality applications. These allow the camera to be launched from the application itself. However, a manual design would not allow this. You would need to separately open the lens cover. An automatic lens cover would overcome that issue but such mechanisms thus far have required larger foot prints.


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发表于 21-5-2010 07:44 PM | 显示全部楼层
GSMArena: You had variable aperture going on the Nokia N86 8MP, but you've dropped that one for the Nokia N8. Any particular reason?

D. Dinning: We wanted to improve the performance of the optics but were constrained by the size of the module. We therefore traded the variable aperture for superior optics. We compensated for this trade-off by incorporating a ND filter to handle bright lighting conditions. The newer more sensitive silicon used in the Nokia N8's sensor completely compensates for the difference in the maximum aperture. (f/2.8 in the case of the Nokia N8 and f/2.4 in the case of the Nokia N86 8MP)

GSMArena: Are you implying the Nokia N8 sensor uses some improved technology for a better sensitivity?

D. Dinning: Sensor vendors are generally improving the sensitivity from one generation to another. In the case of the Nokia N8 we used this to maintain the same/better light sensitivity measured.

What this means in practice is that you get the same or better signal to noise ratio at a given light level with the new and the Nokia N8 compared to the Nokia N86 8MP despite the smaller aperture.

GSMArena: What about the shutter on the Nokia N8 camera. Mechanical shutters are superior to electronic ones. Is there a mechanical shutter on the N8 much like there was in the N86 8MP?

D. Dinning: Yes there is a mechanical shutter. It's required for any product which uses xenon flash. It also eliminates movement distortion effects in still photographs.

GSMArena: We were wondering how the Nokia N8 high ISO performance compares with the other mobile phones or dedicated digital cameras (samples will be appreciated). And while we're on it, what's the maximum ISO setting on the N8's camera?

D. Dinning: As mentioned earlier we're still optimizing the camera performance and therefore samples for low light other than those already published via Nokia Conversations are not yet available. The sensor provides support for ISO settings up to ISO 1200. However, we are currently evaluating this and many others settings and so the actual ISO range we use could change in the final SW as well as how we use that range.

GSMArena: Much like noise, narrower dynamic range is another compromise that small sensor cameras have to make. Do you have any impressions on how the Nokia N8 dynamic range compares with the other mobile phones or dedicated digital cameras? Again, we would appreciate samples.

D. Dinning: There's a 'natural' dynamic range enabled by the sensor itself. Of course there are many different digital image processing techniques which can be used to help increase the visible dynamic range. However, these often lead to an increase in noise. There are many other aspects which can affect visible noise. In fact just about anything you do to the output from the sensor is effectively a gain control of some kind and therefore will result in some kind of increase in noise. So again it comes back to how we balance all of these parameters in the final software. I'm hoping of course that what we settle on will please as many people as we can.

I'd like to explain a little more in regard to noise our handling of it and our reasons behind the improved optics and large sensor.

As said whenever you play with the output from the sensor you'll end up increasing noise. The combination of the new optics and large sensor gave us the best platform we've ever had to develop from.

Early on we were seeing some pretty incredibly detailed images and we therefore knew the optics had potential. The specs prove this too as the theoretical performance of the optics is pretty close to 12mp. Often the system resolution is way below the actual and a 12mp camera (even dedicated digital cameras) may only provide in practice say 5mp resolution.

I can't say what we'll end up with as we continue to optimise the performance we may see this figure reduce, but the point is that we have lots of resolving power to start with. Those original images whilst looked incredibly sharp suffered from what I see in many broadly comparable products and that's being over processed. The result is something that looks ok but not natural. We wanted to retain as much natural detail as possible but we also still wanted to provide vibrant colours which are true to your mind's eye but without the over processed look.

You can artificially create perceived sharpness but you can't create detail that wasn't there to start with. It's an important difference. Having the high resolving power of the Carl Zeiss optics coupled to the low noise provided by the large sensor has given us more to play with than before.

The result we're aiming for is the best balance of all of these. We could optimise for just one, e.g. to provide lower noise than ever before but then we'll have to compromise a little on the colour or we'll compromise the inherent detail. In other words, great colour but which is still natural, high detail without sharpening artefacts but still with relatively low noise.

A further example of the benefit of the Carl Zeiss optics and large sensor is in video. Because we have great resolving power to start with we don't need to have high levels of edge enhancement. And as we don't have high levels of noise we're able to record video without any noise reduction whatsoever in daylight conditions. The result is high detail in video but without any noise. It looks really great.

GSMArena: Macro shooting is important to many users. Can you quote a minimum focusing distance on the Nokia N8 macro capabilities?

D. Dinning: Sure, it's approximately 10cm-60cm in the close-up scene mode, otherwise as close as around 20-30cm in auto mode depending on the scene/subject characteristics.

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