佛教對肉食的看法

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请参阅可兰经，关于爱护生命的部分，这只是转载Vegan Views 91的文章，详细情况请向回教长老询问：

In view of the events of September 11th 2001, it is perhaps a good time to be reminded of the teachings of Islam. The Koran teaches tolerance: "There shall be no compulsion in religion" (The Koran 2.256): "He has kept strict count of all his creatures". (The Koran 19.88)
大略的意思，详细请询问回教长老，如有错误，敬请见谅：
他在乎所有的生物。

Islam speaks of human relationships with animals: "Doing good to beasts is like the doing of good to human beings, a deed of charity, whilst cruelty to animals is forbidden, just like cruelty to human beings" (Mishkat Al Masabih Vol 2)
大略的意思，详细请询问回教长老，如有错误，敬请见谅：
为动物做一件好事，就像为人类做一件好事，是一种慈善的行为，那是不允许对动物残忍的，就像不允许对人类残忍一样。

Muhammad spoke against those who captured young birds and upset the mother bird. He also left his coat on the ground rather than disturb his cat Muezza, who was sleeping on it. Muhammad showed concern for saving animal life.
大略的意思，详细请询问回教长老，如有错误，敬请见谅：
默罕默德先知反对那些猎取小鸟却让母鸟伤心的。他把大衣放在地上也不干扰他的猫，那只睡在上面的。默罕默德先知显示出爱护动物生命的关心。

Every kind of cruelty to animals is forbidden in Islam, as the following Hadiths show. There are scores of laws in Islam where vivisection is outlawed; "Omer reported to the Holy Prophet (SAWS) having condemned those who mutilate any part of an animal's body while he is alive". The Holy Prophet (SAWS) forbade the beating or the branding of animals. Once he saw a donkey branded on his face and said: "May Allah condemn the one who branded it".

Islam, unlike Christianity is strict over cruelty to animals. Islam will not allow animal baiting. The Holy Prophet (SAWS) forbade the setting up of animals to fight each other. Nor would Islam allow blood sports. "The Holy Prophet (SAWS) condemn those who pinion or restrain animals in a way for the purpose of target shooting". So much so that even an animal being caged is forbidden. The Holy Prophet (SAWS) was asked by His companions is kindness to animals rewarded in the life hereafter. He replied, "Yes, there is a meritorious reward for kindness shown to every living creature".

Every Muslim is supposed to mould his life according to Quran and Sunnah and, judging by these teachings in Islam, there is no reason that a good Muslim can be anything other than vegan/vegetarian. It should come as no surprise therefore, that the local Mosque has served free food and it was all vegetarian.

Muhammad is quoted as saying, "He who takes pity on a sparrow and spares his life, Allah (God) will be merciful to him on the day of judgement" The Koran (24.36): "Do you not see how Allah is praised by those in heaven and earth? The very birds praise Him as they wing their flight" (also note 24.44)

Muhammad, (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) told his companions many stories about kindness to animals, and spoke of them as God's creatures, and that they must be treated with kindness and care. He stated: "Even looking after plants and trees is an act of virtue". Muhammad gave the story of the crying camel. The prophet, finding a camel tied to a post, overworked and underfed, asked of its owner, "Do you not fear Allah because of this camel?". Allah had given the camel into the man's care and he had a duty to treat the camel well. The owner of the camel accepted the teaching and declared, "I have done wrong". He accepted that in future he must look after his camels properly and ensure that they had enough food and water. In another story Muhammad declared: "Who has caused trouble to this sparrow by taking away her young ones?" The stories are there to be read, giving a deeper meaning to life and the world around.

The compassion continues with the story of the ants. During a journey, Muhammad found a man who started a fire and had endangered some ants. Muhammad was very disturbed to see this. Who made this fire?" He asked. "I made the fire, O Messenger of Allah!", came a reply. "Put out the fire! Put out the fire!" was Muhammad's teaching.
大略的意思，详细请询问回教长老，如有错误，敬请见谅：
默罕默德停止了人烧蚂蚁的行为。


The thirsty man who climbed down a well to drink found a thirsty dog on his return. This man went back for more water, so the dog could drink. For his kindness, this type of man was shown to go to paradise.
大略的意思，详细请询问回教长老，如有错误，敬请见谅：
口渴的人为了狗再去提取水，因为他的善良，他到了天堂。

Yet another story is the one about the cruel woman and her cat, which the Prophet told. The cat was not given anything to eat or drink, and was shut out of the house. The poor cat was taken in by a neighbour who would not allow the cat back. However, after promising to look after the cat, the owner was finally allowed to have the cat back again. The owner however, had lied. The story continued until one of Muhammad's companions cried, "What a terrible thing to do" and "What a very cruel and wicked woman!" Muhammad told his companions that a great sin had been committed because one of Allah's creatures had been ill-treated. The woman who had treated her cat so cruelly was not forgiven her sins: she was sent to Hell for her wrongdoing.
大略的意思，详细请询问回教长老，如有错误，敬请见谅：
默罕默德先知说那是一个严重的罪行，因为上帝的生物被错误的对待了。那女人残忍的对待他的猫有着不能被原谅的罪行，他因为他的错误被送进地狱。


These are the brief outlines of the Islamic teaching. There is nothing to say that a Muslim may not be a vegetarian or vegan. The message is clear: God rewards kindness to animals but punishes those who are cruel.

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mahalwin

原帖由 maxis.. 于 1-5-2009 12:52 PM 发表
释迦牟尼佛当年讲经说法，其学生将佛的教法分为五个阶段：
华严、阿含、方等、般若、法华涅槃，称作“五时”。

佛说法四十九年，般若讲了二十二年，般若是智慧。

可见佛法教学是以智慧为中心，若无智慧，就无法证得华严、法华的境界。

圆满智慧，亦是始于初学。

阿含、方等是过程，阿含好比是小学，方等好比是中学，般若是大学，华严、法华是真善美慧的境界，是常乐我净的落实。

诸位若能清楚体会佛四十九年所说法的体系，便知佛法是九界众生迫切需要的，这是真实的大学问。

佛有善巧方便，真实的大学问；

这是中国天台宗的判教方式.

佛陀并没有说过"阿含经" 是小学或是是比较次一等的教导这些说.

mahalwin

原帖由 maxis.. 于 1-5-2009 12:17 PM 发表


我只是依大藏经记载而说，并没加入自己半点意思。

这段佛陀涅盘前的最后遗教，出自——乾隆大藏经——大乘涅槃部第0109部——大般涅槃经卷第四 （如来性品第四之一）

http://www.qldzj.com.cn/html/a05dcnbb.htm
http://www.qldzj.com.cn/htmljw/0109-01.htm


如果真的认真看待佛陀的话，可以去亲自查询。（白话版本请看回本贴第3页）



佛陀在涅槃前，的确有"禁肉的遗教".

我没有说你自己加上自己的意思.

如果真的认真看待佛陀的话, 也请你亲自查询巴利藏, 四阿含中的 "大般涅盘经" 系列经典 - 看看有没有禁肉的遗教.

也看看以下的"大般涅盘经": 我相信这是西藏金刚乘版的"大般涅盘经".


《大般涅盘经》中，当释迦牟尼佛于印度拘尸那将入般涅盘时说：

        一切有为法，本性皆无常，
        死亡无可免，我今将入灭，
        诸位勿须忧，我今入灭后，
        转生邬金国，名为莲花生。
http://www.myhaitao.org/ecms/xinwenbaodao/2008-02-22/371.html

o1j2m3

版主：这是因为让佛教徒建立宗教之间的正确知见的分享

为了让你明白这两种宗教，并且不抱持贬低的态度，这就是基督教的。
不过，如同其他宗教，没有一份意见是绝对的，而且意见如同佛陀一样：没有说一定要吃素，却表现出对动物的慈爱。

The Bible depicts vegetarianism as God’s ideal, and the diet conforms to the central biblical principle of steward-ship. In Eden, all creatures lived peacefully, and God told both humans and animals to consume only plant foods (Gen. 1:29–31). Several prophecies, such as Isaiah 11:6–9, foresee a return to this vegetarian world, where the wolf, lamb, lion, cow, bear, snake, and little child all coexist peacefully. Christian vegetarians, while acknowledging human sinfulness, believe we should strive toward the harmonious world Isaiah envisioned—to try to live in accordance with the prayer that Jesus taught us, “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven” (Matt. 6:10).


Adam’s “dominion” over animals (Gen. 1:26, 28), we believe, conveys sacred stewardship, since God immediately afterward prescribed a vegetarian diet (1:29–30) in a world God found “very good” (1:31). Created in God’s image of love (1 John 4:8), we are called to be care-takers of God’s Creation, not tyrants over God’s creatures.

Genesis 1:21–22 relates that, before God created humanity, God regarded the animals “good” and blessed them. Further evidence that we should consider animals as inherently valuable comes from Genesis 2:18–19, which indicates that God made animals as Adam’s helpers and companions: “Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.’ So out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them…” (RSV). Adam named the animals, which we believe shows concern and friendship. We don’t name the animals we eat.

God endowed pigs, cattle, sheep, and all farmed animals with their own desires and needs, which is apparent when these animals are given an opportunity to enjoy life. For example, pigs are as curious, social, and intelligent as cats or dogs. Pigs can even play some video games better than monkeys. Similarly, chickens enjoy one another’s company and like to play, dust bathe, and forage for food. Jesus compared his love for us to a hen’s love for her chicks (Luke 13:34).

Virtually all plants were destroyed by the Flood. Alternatively, God may have allowed Noah limited freedom to express human violence, since unrestrained violence was responsible for the Flood itself (Gen. 6:11–13). Importantly, this passage neither commands meat eating nor indicates that the practice is God’s ideal. Indeed, eating meat came with a curse—animals would no longer be humanity’s friends: “The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast…” (Gen. 9:2). While eating meat was not prohibited, it represented a complete break from God’s ideal of animals and humans living peacefully together, as depicted in Eden and by the prophets.

Proverbs 12:10 teaches, “A righteous man has regard for the life of his beast,” and Psalm 145:9 reminds us that “The Lord is good to all, and his compassion is over all that he has made.”

The Bible describes God’s concern for animals repeatedly (Matt. 10:29, 12:11–12, 18:12–14) and forbids cruelty (Deut. 22:10, 25:4). Importantly, after the Flood, God made a covenant, stated five times, with animals as well as humans. All creatures share in the Sabbath rest (Exod. 20:10; Deut. 5:14). The Bible describes animals praising God (Pss. 148:7–10, 150:6), shows animals present in eternity (Isa. 65:25; Rev. 5:13), and affirms that God preserves animals (Ps. 36:6; Eph. 1:10; Col. 1:20). Animals and humans look to God for sustenance (Pss. 104:27–31, 147:9; Matt. 6:26; Luke 12:6) and deliverance (Jon. 3:7–9; Rom. 8:18–23). God’s covenant in Genesis 9, in all five instances, is with all flesh, not just humans.

The Bible does not prohibit eating meat in all circumstances. While many people have eaten meat for nourishment, most Christians today have ready access to a wide variety of healthful plant foods. Many Christian vegetarians find modern factory farming particularly objectionable because it is unnecessary and merciless.

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mahalwin

原帖由 maxis.. 于 1-5-2009 03:31 PM 发表

佛早已制戒，也记载于藏经，小乘不接受，也无法可施，只好随缘。。。
最后，末学只想对小乘佛友说：

你们赞成学佛人吃肉，无怨无悔，

末学对你们的立场没有意见了。

若佛陀制肉戒, 上座们结集律典时则会加入. 你说佛早已制戒,请问律典中有肉戒吗?

"小乘佛教" 只出现在你的信仰体系中.
目前的上座部佛教有本身代代相传的三藏圣典和菩萨思想, 若强硬将上座部纳入你的汉传大乘体系, 是你的自由, 却不能说上座部佛教是"小乘佛教,不明大乘佛法" "小乘佛教不对".

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mahalwin

原帖由 o1j2m3 于 1-5-2009 05:18 PM 发表
请参阅可兰经，关于爱护生命的部分，这只是转载Vegan Views 91的文章，详细情况请向回教长老询问：

In view of the events of September 11th 2001, it is perhaps a good time to be reminded of the teachings  ...

Hari Korban , 穆斯林杀牛羊分诸人食用. 就算是在圣城Mecca,也是这样.
那么这是否违背了可兰经?

o1j2m3

情况和佛教其实一样，就好像有人吃三净肉，有人吃素，有人则还没有完全受戒，有人只是行善道等等，说违背佛经，也大有人在。

同样的，佛教不是所有的人都受戒，他们则不是所有的人都PUASA。
回教长老，他们则会进行长时期的PUASA，其中也不乏神通者。
也因为不同的地区，教导上有多多少少的不一样。

有些回教长老已经长时间PUASA了，他不吃肉，也不杀任何动物，只是偶尔碰碰鱼肉而已。
有些回教长老则PUASA，他不杀任何动物，不过他吃肉。
有些回教长老则维持日常生活，他不杀任何动物，不过他吃素。
有些回教长老则维持日常生活，他不杀任何动物，不过他吃肉。

同样的，回教并没有强制性一定要吃素，不过对于动物的慈爱，并不反对吃素。而回教，也教导其他的人如何慈善的杀生，就是先念可兰经，然后放血，等动物意识模糊感觉不到痛苦，就是血放完后，才杀。

然而，详细的情况，必须请教回教长老才清楚。

而世界各地提倡健康生活的同时，穆斯林提倡素食的团体也成立了。

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o1j2m3

基本上，我对回教研究不多，不过那确实是个不错的宗教。

不过，从IVU来看，也有可兰经的分享：

"The Holy Prophet Muhammad (S) was asked by his copmpanions if kindness to animals was rewarded in the life hereafter. He replied: 'Yes, there is a meritorious reward for kindness to every living creature'." (Bukhari)   
大略意思：
对动物慈善的会对之后的生活有什么好的回报吗？默罕默德先知说：会的，对动物慈善将会有神秘的回报。

All creatures on earth are sentient beings. "There is not an animal on earth, nor a bird that flies on its wings - but they are communities like you." (The Quran, 6:38)
大略意思：
这里没有一只动物在这地上，也没有小鸟飞翔 - 但是他们就是一群的就像你们一样。

"The Holy Prophet (S) forbade the beating or the branding of animals. Once he saw a donkey branded on its face and said: 'may Allah condemn the one who branded it'." (Muslim)
大略意思：
上帝会惩罚那些烙印动物的。


"The Holy Prophet (S) forbade the setting up of animals to fight against each other." (Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi)
大略意思：
不允许动物互相争斗的活动。


"The Holy Prophet (S) condemned those who pinion or restrain animals in any other way for the purpose of target shooting. (Al-Masburah and Al-Mujaththamah)." (Muslim)
大略意思：
不允许绑住或限制动物作为射击的目标。


"The Holy Prophet (S) said: 'It is a great sin for man to imprison those animals which are in his power'." (Muslim)
大略意思：
监狱那些动物是很大的罪行。　

There are numerous Islamic laws forbidding vivisection (Al-muthia) on a live animal. IBn Umar reported the Holy Prophet (S) as having condemned those who mutilate any part of an animals body while it is alive. (Ahmad and other authorities)
大略意思：
将惩罚那些拆离活着的动物身体的人。　

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mahalwin

原帖由 o1j2m3 于 1-5-2009 07:50 PM 发表
情况和佛教其实一样，就好像有人吃三净肉，有人吃素，有人则还没有完全受戒，有人只是行善道等等，说违背佛经，也大有人在。

同样的，佛教不是所有的人都受戒，他们则不是所有的人都PUASA。
回教长老，他们则会进行长时期的PUASA，其中也不乏神通者。
也因为不同的地区，教导上有多多少少的不一样。

有些回教长老已经长时间PUASA了，他不吃肉，也不杀任何动物，只是偶尔碰碰鱼肉而已。
有些回教长老则PUASA，他不杀任何动物，不过他吃肉。
有些回教长老则维持日常生活，他不杀任何动物，不过他吃素。
有些回教长老则维持日常生活，他不杀任何动物，不过他吃肉。

同样的，回教并没有强制性一定要吃素，不过对于动物的慈爱，并不反对吃素。而回教，也教导其他的人如何慈善的杀生，就是先念可兰经，然后放血，等动物意识模糊感觉不到痛苦，就是血放完后，才杀。

然而，详细的情况，必须请教回教长老才清楚。

而世界各地提倡健康生活的同时，穆斯林提倡素食的团体也成立了。

除了小孩, 那一类的穆斯林可以不必在斋戒月puasa?
Hari Korban的牺牲动物献祭, 是可兰经的教导还是基于传统?

三法印

客观看待，我选择慈悲。
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若客观看待，还会主观选择慈悲?

三法印

经无先后之说，人有明愚之分。
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佛陀五百年后才说其他的经, 信的人是明是愚?

o1j2m3

所以，六祖才说，无念为宗，也说：经文并不是最重要的。
也许你可以看看，机缘品。

那时候有很人看了很多经书念经多年，却被六祖一句话，全然明白经文大意。
经文，迟早，并不是最主要的问题，人才是。

一看六祖坛经机缘品，一切经文大意就差不多明白了。
http://www.quanxue.cn/ct_fojia/LiuZu/LiuZu08.html

justdoit77

大乘或小乘是看你的发心.
如果修行是为了众生,就是大乘.
如果修行只为了自己,就是小乘.
南传佛教里也有很多人有大乘的精神.

o1j2m3

第二个问题，我无法回答，因为我对习俗并不完全了解，不能给与答案。
第一个问题：月经来临，怀孕，生病，受伤，小孩，老人。
不过，月经来临，怀孕，生病，都不能豁免PUASA，通常需要补回，这取决于宗教司的判断。