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有大学文凭不用请律师??? small claim的民诉讼案
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updated: 26.08.09
拥有大学文凭的任何人士不用请律师!!!???
~~~~高等法院接手了~~~~
1。本人想知道这相关的民诉讼案件!
2。本人想要上诉以上的案件到高庭,但是法庭的工作人员说不能请律师的(不知是真是假)
3。这样的案件,通常律师费是多少?还有其他的费用吗?
谢谢各位!
注:这案件是在亚庇法庭(kota kinabalu magistrate court),沙巴州的!
[ 本帖最后由 eagleaar 于 26-8-2009 10:50 AM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 2-7-2009 03:10 PM
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回复 2# 王律師 的帖子
爬完了!非常谢谢您!
我的案件是defendant输了,现在要上诉。
判官说可以到高庭上诉,上诉期只是给十天,现在距离还有七天而已!
问判官defendant什么理由会输,判官说等‘order'。。。。???
我要问下,defendant是不是现在就要写‘上诉’信在这十天里面?
defendant需不需要等那‘order'出后才写上诉信?怕order出后才写上诉信又太迟了; 如果现在写上诉信,又不知道要上诉的理由是什么,因为order还没出所以不知道是输在那里。
请lawyer王,帮我解答!谢谢! |
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发表于 3-7-2009 09:24 AM
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回复 4# 王律師 的帖子
很明显~我是代表defendant的, defendant是有理由来反驳plaintiff的供词,而且证据充足defendant是站上风的,但是判官还是判defendant输了,但是又不说理由!叫defendant等order!!不知道怎么办!
谢谢!
问:要上诉,是不是一定要等order出先??谢谢!
order是不是所谓的‘书面判词‘?? 就像尼查等不到‘书面判词‘就先去上诉!!
[ 本帖最后由 eagleaar 于 3-7-2009 11:31 AM 编辑 ] |
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原帖由 eagleaar 于 3-7-2009 09:24 AM 发表
很明显~我是代表defendant的, defendant是有理由来反驳plaintiff的供词,而且证据充足defendant是站上风的,但是判官还是判defendant输了,但是又不说理由!叫defendant等order!!不知道怎么办!
谢谢!
问:要上 ...
代表 ??
如你是律师, 就会做“上诉”
不是律师的话, 去找律师吧
普通人是不会做 “上诉”的, 太复杂了 |
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发表于 3-7-2009 12:59 PM
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回复 6# 王律師 的帖子
普通人不会做上诉,因为太复杂??什么意思?如果不满判官的判词,那就'被逼‘接受判词吗?因为太复杂!?
请律师方面:法庭的工作人员说不能请律师。。。。(是不是因为是small claim case,才不能请律师上诉??)
lawyer王,那上诉是不是一定要等‘order',书面判词出先?可以答我吗?谢谢!
注:很明显的我不是律师~如果是,我的贴是不会出现在这里!!! |
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发表于 3-7-2009 02:29 PM
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谢谢您的答案!
哇!如果是这样,那不是很不公平!既然证据很明显是对defendant有利,而plaintiff又没有实际的证据,最后还是判defendant输了。有可能吗?
再说:判官又没说输的理由给defendant,所以不服!!!
还有听到消息,plaintiff有亲戚在法庭里工作的,不过不知道什么位置!那是不是对判官的判词有一定的影响!?
哦!原来有这样的‘隐藏’律师!!不知那些鼎鼎有名的律师是否也在这里看着我们呢!!!啊哈哈!
问:那么是需要请律师吗? 还是不能请律师?(上诉的) |
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发表于 3-7-2009 02:45 PM
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原帖由 eagleaar 于 3-7-2009 02:29 PM 发表
谢谢您的答案!
哇!如果是这样,那不是很不公平!既然证据很明显是对defendant有利,而plaintiff又没有实际的证据,最后还是判defendant输了。有可能吗?
再说:判官又没说输的理由给defendant,所以不服!!!
还 ...
请你不要什么都是听说听说好吗?
如果你要上诉,请便。你可以去请教律师帮忙,只是那位律师不能代表你出庭抗辩。出庭的一切要自己来。
这是 O54r7 SCR
No legal representation. (O 54 r 7)
| | Notwithstanding Order 4, rule 6, no partyto any suit in this Court shall be represented by an advocate andsolicitor, except where the defendant is required by law to berepresented by an authorised person. |
O49r2 SCR 告诉你怎么做上诉
Rule 2. Notice of appeal. (O 49 r 2)
| | (1) Appeals to the High Court shall bebrought by giving notice of appeal in Form 140. A copy of such noticeof appeal with the date filed endorsed thereon shall be sent by theRegistrar to the Registrar of the High Court.
(2) An appellant may appeal from the wholeor any part of a decision and the notice of appeal shall state whetherthe whole or part only, and what part, of the decision is complained of.
(3) The notice of appeal shall be filedwithin 14 days from the day on which the decision was pronounced. TheCourt appealed from shall thereupon supply to the appellant, uponpayment of the fee therefor a certified copy of the notes of evidence,a certified copy of the judgment, or, in case no written judgment hasbeen delivered, of the grounds of decision.
(4) As soon as the certified copy is ready, the Court shall notify the appellant in Form 141.
(5) Within 14 days from the receipt of thenotification, the appellant shall, unless the Court for sufficientcause otherwise orders-
(a) deposit in the Court appealed froma sum which in the opinion of the Registrar will cover the costs ofpreparing a sufficient number of copies of the appeal record for theuse of the High Court and the parties to the appeal; and
(b) lodge in the Court appealed from a sumof two hundred and fifty ringgit, or such lesser sum as the Court mayin any case direct, by way of security for the costs of the appeal.
(6) The notice of appeal shallbe served by the appellant within the time limited for the filing ofappeal on all parties directly affected by the appeal or theirrespective solicitors. It shall not be necessary to serve parties notso affected.
Rule 3. Appeal record where the appellant is not represented or appeals as a poor person. (O 49 r 3)
| | (1) When the appellant has complied withthe requirements of rule 2 of the Order, and the appellant is notrepresented by a solicitor of the High Court has allowed the appellantto appeal as a poor person, the Court appealed from shall prepare therequisite number of copies of the appeal record and the record shallcontain copies of-
(a) the relevant pleadings;
(b) the notes of evidence;
(c) the grounds of judgment, provided thatthe absence of the grounds of judgment shall not prevent the appellantfrom proceeding with his appeal;
(d) the decision;
(e) the notice of appeal;
(f) all such documentary exhibits and other documents the parties shall consider relevant for the purposes of appeal.
(2) As soon as the appeal record is ready the Court appealed from shall serve the appellant with a notice in Form 141.
(3) If the appellant shall consider thatany documentary exhibit used need not be included in the record heshall obtain the consent in writing of all parties to the appeal to theomission of the document from the record. The written consent shall beproduced to the Registrar.
(4) Upon request by the appellant and, ifthe deposit mentioned in paragraph (5) of rule 2 of this Order isinsufficient, upon payment by the appellant of a further sum sufficientto defray the cost of preparing the appeal record the Registrar shall-
(a) supply the appellant with a copy ofthe appeal record and sufficient additional copies for service on therespondent or respondents; and
(b) forward to the appropriate Registrar ofthe High Court the remaining copies of the record, having endorsed onone of the copies the date of service of the notice mentioned inparagraph (2) of this rule. |
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谢谢长空提供的资料!
通常请教律师的费用要多少?如果依据市场的价钱?
如果可以的话,麻烦长空和lawyer王帮我draft下马来文字!不知开头场要怎么写!‘如:我不满 / 不接受这个判词,原因是。。。。‘不知可以不可以这样写啦!麻烦你!又要谢谢你!
注:长空我有说‘听说‘吗?你的语气好不耐烦哦!。。。。。
[ 本帖最后由 eagleaar 于 3-7-2009 03:52 PM 编辑 ] |
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原帖由 eagleaar 于 3-7-2009 02:29 PM 发表
既然证据很明显是对defendant有利,而plaintiff又没有实际的证据,
什么证据呢? 可以詳細讲一下吗
原帖由 eagleaar 于 3-7-2009 02:29 PM 发表
再说:判官又没说输的理由给defendant,
是很普通的, 判官最多说 “Plaintiff berjaya membuktikan kesnya atas imbangan barangkali”
(Plaintiff has successfully proven his case on the balance of probability)
如要判官给(写)理由 ”grounds of judgment“, 通常是要申请的 (上诉时申请的) |
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原帖由 eagleaar 于 3-7-2009 03:30 PM 发表
谢谢长空提供的资料!
通常请教律师的费用要多少?如果依据市场的价钱?
如果可以的话,麻烦长空和lawyer王帮我draft下马来文字!不知开头场要怎么写!‘如:我不满 / 不接受这个判词,原因是。。。。‘不知可以 ...
KK 是用英文的吧~~~
律师费?我不知道。
[quote]还有听到消息,plaintiff有亲戚在法庭里工作的,不过不知道什么位置!那是不是对判官的判词有一定的影响!?
哦!原来有这样的‘隐藏’律师!!不知那些鼎鼎有名的律师是否也在这里看着我们呢!!![quote]
我不耐烦?因为我不喜欢人说听说听说,是就是,不是就不是。
还有推事是专业的, 在法庭里工作不一定有那么多的时间去搞些无谓的事。
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原帖由 王律師 于 3-7-2009 03:48 PM 发表
什么证据呢? 可以詳細讲一下吗
是很普通的, 判官最多说 “Plaintiff berjaya membuktikan kesnya atas imbangan barangkali”
(Plaintiff has successfully proven his case on the balance of pro ...
证据?有被法庭接受吗?还是你自认为的证据?
Ground of judgment要申请才会给。不然是不可能你会看见的。 |
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好啦!好啦!喝下火草吧!最近天气真得很热!
确实plaintiff的亲戚是在法庭里工作的!
CASE:
- - - D = defendant; CA = 公司A; CB= 公司B; CEOA=老板A; CEOB=老板B - - -
D 是CA的前职员,b4 D 被解雇,CA和CB的车(CB车被撞了;CA车被进贼),所以D有‘写一封‘道歉信’但是过不久D就无缘无故被解雇,所以CEOA&B都要D赔那两部车。
D被解雇后,一个月的薪水+allowance也被扣住了因为是要赔偿那两部车.所以D就不甘心,就告到劳工部去,过了两个月,双方都答应只是给一个月的薪水!
那次之后,过了两个月,D就收到法庭出的saman也就是borang164,要求赔偿那两部车合共 = RM4,500(假设)
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原帖由 王律師 于 3-7-2009 03:48 PM 发表
是很普通的, 判官最多说 “Plaintiff berjaya membuktikan kesnya atas imbangan barangkali”
(Plaintiff has successfully proven his case on the balance of pro ...
嗯,这一句话有意思,但在刑事案件就应该就不可以用到了吧?那怕有那么一点点的合理疑点,控方就可能无罪了。但在民事诉讼案件却是不一样的对吗? |
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