5 % retention

evawyh

我试下解决你的问题。

其实， 多少retention是depends on condition of contract的。

你打开你的condition of contract..最后几面你就会看到了。

通常是10％ of the valuation amount up to the limit of 5% of the contract sum.

如果condition of contract是写 up to the limit of 5% of the contract sum （它可以代表amended contract sum,也可以是original contract sum),所以有点模糊。。如果它写amended contract sum, 有variation 时，那当然retention 的limit会跟着+或－。如果是original contract sum, retention的limit就会是一样， 不变。

P/S:如果你的contract是PAM，JKR （PWD）， CIDB或IEM， 都会有写limit的。。再查看吧。。在appendix of condition of contract.

evawyh

怎么你们的contract都不放condition of contract的吗？

要condition of contract, 去PAM买。。RM10一本（如果还没有起价的话）

xeme

evawyh 你讲的没错。其实一切都有白纸黑字（如果有record的话），只是要花时间来dig it out.

evawyh

翻开contract document就找到了。。在condition of contract的最后几面。。如果是proper的contact document, 很容易就找到的了。。

我的copy for condition of contract是放在最靠近我的地方的， 要找就可以有的了。。不需要dig out的。。

picasoho

有contract condition, 但是很模糊。。。。。。是故意模糊的，因为某人根某人有利益冲突，so , 只能当反面教才来看咯。

xeme

原帖由 picasoho 于 27-6-2008 02:20 发表
有contract condition, 但是很模糊。。。。。。是故意模糊的，因为某人根某人有利益冲突，so , 只能当反面教才来看咯。

确实很多东西都模棱两可的。万一上court，真的是"吃力"咯。

evawyh

原来， 但QS还是可以写封信， 叫大家坐下来谈。。然后就finalise掉contract provision..不然长期下去不是办法的。

Mamiko

Retention will clearly status in contract (LA) don't have any arguement.

Min. 10% contract sum or Max 5 % of workdone

Sure the provisional VO and VO approved will be calculate because it will revised the contract sum amount.

above as my opinion if any wrong dun score ..

thanks

evawyh

问题就是说的＂contract sum＂是amended contract sum还是original contract sum..如果是original contract sum, VO是不subject to retention 的。。。如果是说amended contract sum, 那你说的就对。。

不过我觉得如果没有说是哪个。。多数的人都assume是amended contract sum..

为了减少dispute, 最好在contract 里写清楚。。。 多多指教

Mamiko

For Example

Original Contract Sum   =  100.00
VO Approve                    =      5.00
Provisional VO               =       2.00
Revised Contract Sum  =  107.00


base on above info:

Assume workdonne Amount = 58.00

Retention Amount = max 10% = 10.70 or 5 % workdone = 2.9
In this situation sure will retention 10.70 (max 10% contract sum)



Assume workdone Amount = 300.00
Retention Amount = max 10%= 10.70 or  5% workdone = 15.00
Ih this situation,  retention amount  will be  15.00
This is because the workdone qty will more than original amount and pending Re-measurement for Final Acc. purpose.


Izit correct Bors ?

evawyh

不好意思。。其实刚才我读错了。。你的calculation应该不对。。多数的retention clause都是如下：

- 10% of the work done value, subject to the limit of retention which is 5 % of the contract sum (这个contract sum不懂是amended contract sum还是original contract; 如果没有写是amended contract sum 或是original contract sum, 多数人当它是amended contract sum; 我以前的公司会放 i.e. RM XXXXX, 所以没有dispute)


你的example该是如下（假设limit of retention是5％of amended contract sum)：－

Original Contract Sum   =  100.00
VO Approve                    =      5.00
Provisional VO               =       2.00

Revised Contract Sum  =  107.00
5% of contract sum = 5.35

base on above info:

Assume work done Amount = 58.00

Retention Amount = 5.35而已 (因为58 x 10% = 5.8; exceed limit of retention 了）

Assume workdone Amount = 300.00

这个情况很难有吧。。work done amount比amended contract sum 还多。。。那该代表VO的amount 很多， 但还没有finalise...所以是on account VO来的。。。如果这种情况出现， 要快快finalise掉VO。。然后adjust contract sum..

retention还是一样。。。5.35 （as long as the contract sum has not been amended).

我觉得酱比较对。。。多多指教

[ 本帖最后由 evawyh 于 17-7-2008 08:34 PM 编辑 ]

evawyh

其实你讲的provisional VO..很少看到的。。我在中东看过。。。是因为VO太大的关系。。如果在大马。。该很难看到。。

你是在什么project遇到provisional VO?

如果是provisional的话， 通常都会等到finalise才会出VO的。。

Mamiko

原帖由 evawyh 于 17-7-2008 08:32 PM 发表
不好意思。。其实刚才我读错了。。你的calculation应该不对。。多数的retention clause都是如下：

- 10% of the work done value, subject to the limit of retention which is 5 % of the contract sum (这个co ...

yup .. i think so. Coz .. always forget 5% max retention for contract sum or workdone.

The case =  the actual workdone over original qty in same item, i think will be pending re-mesurement lo ...but must take care the qty as sub-con clain meh ....

Provisional VO ... if architect verble instruction, late to release the black and white and sub-con had workdone there, then juz put in provisional Vo. OR i really not free to get approve from management. hehe .. (skill of snake)

however, provisional can revised the rate and qty. besides, max workdone only 75%. So, sure safety to certifired cert. ...haha .. sub-con wont die aso ...


R u working in Dubai or Abu Dhabi

evawyh

我不在UAE工作..我在多哈.

"Provisional VO ... if architect verble instruction, late to release the black and white and sub-con had workdone there, then juz put in provisional Vo. OR i really not free to get approve from management. hehe .. (skill of snake)"

原来..我说provisional VO是VO里有provisional sum的..你说的时还没有approve的VO..其实还没有approve的VO, contract sum该不能被adjust的..不是吗?contract 就是酱的....但你们要给是没有问题(当作on account VO)