急, rental agreement

yun_lum

我最近租了一间家rental是rm1150 per month,2 months rental deposit + 1 month advance rental + 1/2 month utilities deposit + agreement RM250 。

有谁可以帮帮忙解释一下到底这个agreement RM250是什么来的？为什么不是屋租付而是我们？

谢谢

tchoe85

律师费，你签的和约要让它在法律上生效

kitkatlow

應該是屋主付的。
但如果見你好欺負，就叫你付loh。

別問我應該怎么辦，這要看你的談判技巧了。

秀气灵人

其实TENANCY AGREEMENT的律师费及STAMPING DUTY都是租户应该付的。

虽然说是屋主要签署合约而不是租户选择签署， 但是法律上是租户需要负责缴付所有的费用。

秀气灵人

就比如MID VALLEY NORTHPOINT RETAIL LOT， MID VALLEY DEVELOPMENTS 委托我们帮他们处理租户的合约， 但是他们负责缴付律师费， 而租户则需要缴付杂费及印花税。 有些租户宁愿自己外面找律师自己给律师费因为他们担心我们会偏袒发展商。

kitkatlow

這是一個矛盾的地方。
如果該agreement 是租戶準備的，就應該由租戶付合約費，包括stamp duty。
但如果是屋主準備的話，就應該由屋主付。

大部分的小數額租約，比如一千幾百租房子的，合約成分其實很大程度實在保護屋主。
合約是屋主準備，表示說合約可能存有保護屋主的成分。反之亦然。那方準備就那方繳付費用，這個合理。

上述是我的理解，但我國好像沒有明文規定這個課題。

chinchai

Hi,  Kawan  Cari,

Agreement  绑得了君子,  绑不了小人。

通常我是自已准备 Agreement, 与租户合签,  互相信任。

何必花钱上律师楼签呢 ?  要紧是双方互相信任。

.

[ 本帖最后由 chinchai 于 5-6-2008 09:59 PM 编辑 ]

秀气灵人

A TENANCY agreement is defined as a contract signed by landlord and tenant which states all the terms and conditions of rent of a property. Tenancy is similar to a lease except that it is created for a term not exceeding three years. Unlike a lease, it cannot be registered.
Deposits
Tenants usually pay a security deposit of two months’ gross rental and another month’s rent as utility (water and electricity) deposit. Rent is usually paid one month in advance. Therefore, if the rental is RM500, the amount payable upon execution of the tenancy agreement is RM2,000.
The rights of landlords and tenants
The landlord and tenant are bound by the terms of the tenancy agreement. Their rights are provided for in the said agreement. The principle of freedom to contract ensures a win-win situation for both parties provided that there is a consensus ad idem (“meeting of minds”). Therefore, it is not true that there is only one standard tenancy agreement. An astute person would ensure that the terms are not one sided. The practice in Malaysia is that the legal fees for the tenancy agreement are borne by the tenant. However, there is no hard and fast rule. The fees can be borne by a landlord providing that the lawyer is acting for the landlord and the tenant is unrepresented.
Tenancy agreements usually last a year to three years. Renewal with a possible rent adjustment must be mutually agreed upon. The usual practice is that the tenant is given the first option to renew the tenancy of which the tenant must give notice of such intention three months before the expiry of the tenancy.
Usually, the tenant is prohibited from sub-letting the demised premises to another party. However, the tenant may be able to do so with the landlord’s consent.
Another pertinent point to look for by the landlord is the provision for a deposit for the breaking of wall(s) in the event the tenant is renting two or more contiguous units. A related issue is that the tenant must not make any alterations to the exterior or interior of the demised premises without the previous consent in writing of the landlord.
The tenant is supposed to yield up the demised premises with all fixtures and fittings belonging to the landlord upon the determination of the tenancy in good and tenantable repair and condition, fair wear and tear excepted. The tenant shall make good at their own expense any damage caused to the demised premises or fixtures and fittings therein as a result of the tenant’s act or neglect.
The landlord is supposed to pay all quit rent and assessment imposed or charged upon the owner of the demised premises; and to maintain upkeep and repair whenever necessary the roof, main structure, external walls, main drains and pipes of the demised premises.
Notice of termination
A notice of termination or notice to vacate must be given to the tenant within the period stated in the tenancy agreement before its expiration. The landlord has the right to vacant possession of the premises from the tenant without payment of any compensation.
Recovery of possession
Even though there is a term of the tenancy agreement which allows the landlord to evict the tenant and/or to recover possession of the demised premises upon the nonpayment of rent, the Malaysian legal system is pro-tenant. The landlord is prohibited from evicting the tenant and/or to recover possession of the demised premises without a court order. However, even if the landlord manages to eventually evict the non-paying tenant, the landlord finds it difficult to recover unpaid rents.
Sometimes, unscrupulous tenants would suddenly leave the demised premises without informing the landlord. When the landlord breaks the lock to take possession of the demised premises, the landlord is then slapped with a civil suit claiming for an astronomical amount for the landlord’s purported “self-help”.
The current practice now is for the landlord to lodge a police report and break the lock in the presence of a police officer in order to avoid further complications. A prudent landlord would even take photos of the interior of the demised premises to ensure that the tenant would not later claim loss of properties.

The writer is a member of the Conveyancing Practice Committee, Bar Council, Malaysia www.malaysianbar.org.my.
Note: This column is brought to you by the Malaysian Bar Council for your information only. It does not constitute legal advice. You should, therefore, seek professional legal advice for your specific needs. Neither the Malaysian Bar nor the Sun Media Corp Sdn Bhd shall be liable to any reader who suffers losses as a result of relying on this column.

jasonhanjk

不错。
Good finding. Can add into your sticky thread? Thanks.

yun_lum

跟agent谈过了，她说这是公司的price不肯减。没办法只好给啰，因为我跟housemates都觉得没必要为了这RM250 take the risk 失去这间房子。

无论如何，非常谢谢大家的热心帮忙

yyhhcc

原帖由 chinchai 于 5-6-2008 09:21 PM 发表
Hi,  Kawan  Cari,

Agreement  绑得了君子,  绑不了小人。

通常我是自已准备 Agreement, 与租户合签,  互相信任。

何必花钱上律师楼签呢 ?  要紧是双方互相信任。

.

租屋子agreement只需要盖章付印花税，不需要上律师楼签吧！。。。

而需不需要盖章付印花税或只是与租户合签就算了，这要看你的要求是什么了。。
好：

--只与租户合签而没盖章付印花税，基本上这合同就没有法律的效果。

--盖章付印花税，有了法律的效果及保障，但身为屋主的您，在所得税上面也得呈交您租金所得。。

应该是这样吧？？这是我agent 跟我说的。

kycek

原帖由 yyhhcc 于 6-6-2008 12:44 PM 发表
只与租户合签而没盖章付印花税，基本上这合同就没有法律的效果

问了laywer....
只与租户合签而没盖章付印花税，这合同是还是合法的
所谓没有法律的效果，是法官不接受你的合同为证据，（因为还没盖章付印花税）
你可以到时才付印花税，大不了给penaty4~5倍的印花税.
然后再交上法庭都还可以。
一般上，租户合同都是一百以内，就是讲如果上庭的话，大不了给400~500啦

畏高的天使

其实TENANCY AGREEMENT的律师费和STAMPING DUTY是怎么算的？

我最近也在谈着要租一间店面，租金RM2000，agent说我要负责AGREEMENT和STAMPING DUTY要大概500+。 为什么LZ的是250我的又是500呢？而STAMPING DUTY又是多少？

小蚊子

很多都是Markup了的
因為還有算埋runner的fees