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已经半年了还没confirm怎么办?

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发表于 29-10-2010 11:30 AM | 显示全部楼层
呵呵... 你要跟我講 ISA 啊 ?? 為何你不先問一問我做哪行的 ?? 哈哈.. ISA wor~~
惹禍上身.. ㄇ的甚麼 ...
TheLamer99 发表于 29-10-2010 11:04 AM



    ISA是什么我看你都不懂吧。你只是懂surface的东西。
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发表于 29-10-2010 11:53 AM | 显示全部楼层
ISA是什么我看你都不懂吧。你只是懂surface的东西。
bobcat 发表于 29-10-2010 11:30 AM


何必要懂得太多 ?? 反正有需要的時候.. 有人會替我辦事就是了...
這些所謂用人之道.. 小孩子是不懂的啦.. 哈哈
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发表于 29-10-2010 11:56 AM | 显示全部楼层
ISA?你讲什么屁?
bobcat 发表于 29-10-2010 11:09 AM



    因為唯一動得到我的只有一個 ISA 而已.. 哈哈.. 弱點讓你知道啦..
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发表于 29-10-2010 01:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
何必要懂得太多 ?? 反正有需要的時候.. 有人會替我辦事就是了...
這些所謂用人之道.. ...
TheLamer99 发表于 29-10-2010 11:53 AM



    是吗?像你这种什么都不会的“用人之道”分分钟给你的“人”欺骗。什么都不知道要说什么用人之道?
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发表于 29-10-2010 03:18 PM | 显示全部楼层
是吗?像你这种什么都不会的“用人之道”分分钟给你的“人”欺骗。什么都不知道要说什么用人之道 ...
bobcat 发表于 29-10-2010 01:13 PM


如果我這樣容易被人騙.. 我今天也不能坐到這個位子.. 這樣說就好..
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发表于 29-10-2010 03:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
如果我這樣容易被人騙.. 我今天也不能坐到這個位子.. 這樣說就好..
TheLamer99 发表于 29-10-2010 03:18 PM



    ?什么位子?
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发表于 29-10-2010 03:30 PM | 显示全部楼层
?什么位子?
bobcat 发表于 29-10-2010 03:28 PM


沒甚麼.. 哈哈...
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发表于 29-10-2010 04:16 PM | 显示全部楼层
回复  bobcat


    注明confirm后有。当初我interview时候是说再没有confirm时候是没有EPF的。
aileen_chui 发表于 29-10-2010 10:24 AM



    在EPF Act 1991,section 2的employee definition,

“employee” means any person, not being a person of the descriptions specified in the First Schedule, who is employed under a contract of service or apprenticeship, whether written or oral and whether expressed or implied, to work for an employer;

duty of employer在section 43,

43. (1) Subject to section 52, every employee and every employer of a person who is an employee within the meaning of this Act shall be liable to pay monthly contributions on the amount of wages for the month at the rate respectively set out in the Third Schedule.
(2) Any person being an employer who fails, within such period as may be prescribed by the Board, to pay to the Fund any contributions which he is liable under this Act to pay in respect of or on behalf of any employee in respect of any month shall be guilty of an offence and shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years or to a fine not exceeding ten thousand ringgit or to both.

在first schedule又说到怎样在这statute里不consider是employee的,

FIRST SCHEDULE
[Section 2]
PERSONS WHO ARE NOT EMPLOYEES
(1) All nomadic aborigines unless in any particular case the Director General of the Department of Aborigines otherwise recommends.
(2) Domestic servants as defined in section 3 of the Workmen’s Compensation Act 1952 [Act 273], except when employed—
(a) by any employer specified in the Second Schedule to this Act;
(b) by any society registered or required to be registered under any written law for the time being in force relating to the registration of societies or co-operative societies;
(c) in any business registered or licensed or required to be registered or licensed under the Registration of Businesses Act 1956 [Act 197], the Trades Licensing Ordinance of Sabah [Sabah Cap. 144], the Businesses, Professions and Trades Licensing Ordinance of Sarawak [Sarawak Cap. 33] or the Businesses Names Ordinance of Sarawak [Sarawak Cap. 64], as the case may be; or
(d) by any corporation incorporated under any written law.
(3) Domestic servants as defined aforesaid (other than those excepted under paragraph (2)) who have not, in respect of any employment in which they are then engaged, given to the Board and their employers one month’s notice in the prescribed form of their intention to be members of the Fund.
(4) Outworkers as defined in section 3 of the Workmen’s Compensation Act 1952, except when employed by any employer specified in the Second Schedule.
(5) Any person detained in any prison, Henry Gurney School, approved school, place of detention, mental hospital, rehabilitation centre having the same meaning in the Drug Dependants (Treatment and Rehabilitation) Act 1983 [Act 283] or leper settlement.
(6) Any person who is employed and whose country of domicile is outside Malaysia and who enters and remains temporarily under the authority of any pass issued under the provisions of any written law relating to immigration and who has not given to the Board and his employer one month’s notice in the prescribed form of his intention to be a member of the Fund.
(7) Any person who is employed and whose country of domicile is outside Malaysia and who is in accordance with his terms and conditions of service participates in a provident fund or other similar scheme established or administered outside Malaysia.
(8) Any person who is employed and whose country of domicile is outside Malaysia and who has obtained prior written approval from the Board to participate in accordance with his terms and conditions of service in a provident fund or other scheme established or administered in Malaysia.
(9) Any person who is a Member of the Administration as defined under Article 160 of the Federal Constitution.

虽然在你的employment letter里面有写到没confirm是不会有EPF contribution,但是employer也不能这么做,因为这类的agreement (也就是你的employment letter)是against our law。在section 24 of contract act 1950有讲到,

What considerations and objects are lawful, and what not
24. The consideration or object of an agreement is lawful, unless—
(a) it is forbidden by a law;
In each of the above cases, the consideration or object of an agreement is said to be unlawful. Every agreement of which the object or consideration is unlawful is void.

除非有exception,so far我还没看过有什么exception是permit employer这么做,不排除有这些exception存在。

但是有一点,如果pledge epf,你的income也会相对的减少。
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发表于 30-10-2010 04:56 PM | 显示全部楼层
回复 168# bobcat


    我看见你对员工的law都很清楚
我想问你哦,我有个同事他是contract员工,但是他做了10个月了,但是没有加薪,epf,也没有给renew contract。
他的epf是这样写的
your contract of employment with the company is for the period of 3 month. shall be commencing from 2 Feb to 1 May 2010. Please report to a 10.00am
可是现在已经11月了,都没有任何的东西 。
请问我同事在这种情况可以24小时走人吗??
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发表于 30-10-2010 07:14 PM | 显示全部楼层
回复  bobcat


    我看见你对员工的law都很清楚
我想问你哦,我有个同事他是contract员工,但是他做 ...
莫欺少年穷 发表于 30-10-2010 04:56 PM



    他的termination clause写什么?24hours notice?
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发表于 30-10-2010 11:54 PM | 显示全部楼层
这我就不太清楚,因为我公司员工包括我在内(不是contract的员工),如果在还没有confirm期间辞职是要两个星期通知的,我想contact 也一样咯
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发表于 31-10-2010 12:39 AM | 显示全部楼层
这我就不太清楚,因为我公司员工包括我在内(不是contract的员工),如果在还没有confirm期间辞职是要两个星 ...
莫欺少年穷 发表于 30-10-2010 11:54 PM



    要看那个employment letter的。如果express provision是两个星期,那么要honour这条clause。但是如果employer breach of 其中一条clause,你也能immediate走人。这就是contract很tricky的地方,看谁先breach of contract。当然,不是你说breach就breach的,也要看情况。
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发表于 31-10-2010 01:03 AM | 显示全部楼层
没CONFIRM不就直接问老板为什么还没有CONFIRM咯...
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